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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 18, 2010 23:21:04 GMT -5
The Senate has decided to repeal "Don't Ask Don't Tell" today, a 17 year old law which required gays and lesbians to stay quiet about their preferences. Most troops at home are fine with this, yet troops in the Middle East are against such an act. How would this law affect troops, and most importantly, our safety?
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Post by Clone on Dec 19, 2010 13:11:31 GMT -5
your second statements getting me a bit confused... are they find with having the law or it being removed?
to be frank, the way that a lot of people react to some one of the same sex being interested in that same sex can cause a lot of problems. some times its better to just not know. (also have you seen how much Gay Pride BS they have been tossing around? i'm all fine with your choice but pleas don't rub it in my face.)
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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 19, 2010 13:54:23 GMT -5
They are trying to get it removed in the Senate, and I agree with you. Here in CA, the LGBT is causing a hell lot of problems. We voted to ban gay marriage in 2000, and the supreme court, in May 2008, overrode us. In Nov 2008, we again voted to ban gay marriage. Now, the LGBT is trying to put a proposition on our 2012 ballot. Enough is enough!!! They should move to somewhere where they are more welcome, like Sweden, Massachusetts, or Iowa.
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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 19, 2010 13:55:25 GMT -5
Sorry, not removed in the Senate. Let me clear this up.
Senate voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell. Obama is expected to sign next week.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Dec 19, 2010 20:02:24 GMT -5
Well I guesss that it's a good stept for equity in rights and stuff. If I remember irght it's in one of hte main amendments of the US ocnstitution that all mean are born free and equal so I don't see why gays should be forbidden to marry and stuff.
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Post by YFWE on Dec 19, 2010 22:14:00 GMT -5
It shouldn't matter who one person loves, it should matter whether one person loves their country enough to want to fight for it. Turning that down merely because someone likes the same sex is asinine.
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Post by Clone on Dec 19, 2010 23:53:54 GMT -5
i'm completely unfamiliar with this law but i believe it doesn't prevent gays from serving.
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Post by YFWE on Dec 20, 2010 2:03:19 GMT -5
No, it doesn't, but what I MEAN is that they're two totally separate things, and one shouldn't influence the other. As in, I don't understand why you can't just be who you are in the military as long as you're fighting for and love your country and WANT to help it. There's plenty of arguments out there that everything's just better left unsaid, but I'm not buying them.
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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 20, 2010 4:11:31 GMT -5
The most important thing to consider now is not whether gays and lesbians SHOULD be allowed to speak their mind/s, but whether or not other soldiers will be willing to accept this change in law, and whether or not security will be affected.
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Post by Clone on Dec 20, 2010 10:59:16 GMT -5
do remember that this law more than likely went in to effect in an attempt to prevent problems between Gays and straits. the reasoning behind its based off of the separation of men and women when it comes to points in time in which there naked. most people are vary uneasy when some on of the opposite sex can view there parts, and the same holds true when they're gays around. while i don't necessarily support squelching ones rights i do so see the logic behind it.
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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 20, 2010 16:10:46 GMT -5
Agreed. Once again, in this circumstance, at least, SAFETY is the most important issue here.
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Post by Atecom on Dec 20, 2010 23:11:25 GMT -5
do remember that this law more than likely went in to effect in an attempt to prevent problems between Gays and straits. the reasoning behind its based off of the separation of men and women when it comes to points in time in which there naked. most people are vary uneasy when some on of the opposite sex can view there parts, and the same holds true when they're gays around. while i don't necessarily support squelching ones rights i do so see the logic behind it. Don't ask don't tell was introduced cause gay people could be completely barred from the military. It was a stepping stone in the direction of equal rights, which meant that a person could not be forced to reveal their sexuality and therefore could not be barred on account of their sexuality. What they've done by removing don't ask don't tell, not only means that people are allowed to inquire about another's sexuality, it also means they cannot be barred from serving just because of their sexuality. I certainly hope as well that soldiers will not put their personal prejudices above their commitment to serving their country, but if they do, I certainly don't think its the homosexuals who should suffer cause of it. Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they go off hitting on every guy they see. If a homosexual man does enter the army and start harassing other men in their unit, they will still be dismissed for conduct unbecoming a soldier. Also an army barracks isn't a prison, nobody has to be forced to walk around naked when they take showers, maybe a few barracks still have open showers, but if people there are really worried about being ogled by gays, they can choose not to shower at the same time as them. (With the possible exception of boot-camp, when everything heavily regulated and timetabled.)
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Post by Clone on Dec 21, 2010 9:11:07 GMT -5
read in Time magazine that apart of the removal of the law was there needed to be a general positive concencous for its removal by the armed forces and it was around a good 60% said remove it. so right direction it is!
edit......... looking at how i worded my previous post it sounds pretty bad... i meant that i under stood why it was there, not that i wanted it to stay.
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Post by SoCalDrag on Dec 21, 2010 16:13:54 GMT -5
Well, I remember looking at the news on NBC a a week or so ago... it said that a good 30-40% of armed forces overseas were unwilling to serve with gays or lesbians. Sure, the troops stationed here are OK with it, and it has a 60% approval rate, but if 30% of the armed forces overseas suddenly decide to stop fighting because of this, wouldn't safety be an issue?
Shouldn't people realize that the issue of life and death supersedes everything else, even equal rights?
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Post by Atecom on Dec 21, 2010 18:51:38 GMT -5
Well, I remember looking at the news on NBC a a week or so ago... it said that a good 30-40% of armed forces overseas were unwilling to serve with gays or lesbians. Sure, the troops stationed here are OK with it, and it has a 60% approval rate, but if 30% of the armed forces overseas suddenly decide to stop fighting because of this, wouldn't safety be an issue? Shouldn't people realize that the issue of life and death supersedes everything else, even equal rights? Gays are already fighting in the military, they are just not allowed to reveal it, or else they will be barred. If someone is in a combat situation, and they are more worried about if the guy behind them is looking a their ass, I'm much more concerned about the performance of that soldier, and where his priorities are. Most of the soldiers are there cause they want to serve their country and the freedoms it represents. I hope most of them feel the same about everyones freedoms and not the freedoms that are convenient to them. Blacks were integrated into the Army, and Women in certain roles have been integrated, Theres no real reason why people of different sexualities can be integrated as well, In less than a year, the care factor of most of these soldiers will probably be 0.
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