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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on May 24, 2011 10:51:05 GMT -5
To be honest, are you sure Obama is a good idea, look what he has done to our country, we are not recovering and our deficits are still growing and yet people still want to vote for him again?
Just because Osama is killed by him doesn't mean he'll do a better job next time, sure Osama is killed, but that one victory can last for one week, but the economy is something will last for months and possibly years once America returns to its former glory, we can see jobs are rolling, new bridges and airports being built, etc.. But in this case, we can't go back to its former glory as long as the huge deficits pin us down, Obama is a no-go!! I voted for him once back in 2008, but after looking at his performance, he is just as bad as Bush, Bush is all about the war and finally Iraq war, but Obama is all about the economy, and in the end, the both of them do a poor job, making America even worse. He even allowed China to get away with murder, one day, you'll see the American dream will all turn to Chinese dreams and again, one day, America once a proud #1 in the world, will become #2, followed up China #1.
It's got to be one of the Republicans, if Trump would to run, he will bring America back!! Don't you Americans prefer to be #1?! If you want to be #1, then don't vote for Obama! Trump said it before, this upcoming election is so important, we cannot afford to see another bad leader to take control of the country!
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Post by YFWE on May 24, 2011 11:38:38 GMT -5
While I don't think it matters too much at this point as he's declared himself as out of the running for office, but what would worry me about Trump -- yes, he's a businessman, and what appears to be a successful one at that, but he's also declared business bankruptcy a number of times himself. For someone who would be faced with the task of restructuring/reviving the economy, I'm not so sure I'd want to have someone in there who has bankrupted a number of companies and properties to say, "Well hey, give me a shot at it." Things could potentially get even worse than they are now, and just because you sound eloquent when you talk about your plans doesn't mean they're going to work out. Not to mention that $900 million personal debt he had last decade.
I also wanted to ask this of my fellow Americans on this board, because Kokusho does bring up an interesting point: do we prefer to be #1? Or do we even care? I mean, I don't know, I think I could live with it if the country in which I lived wasn't top dog in the world. Great Britain and Canada, for instance, seem to be nice places, and they're not running the show. Plus, I sorta think China's rise to #1 superpower is inevitable no matter who's running the country. There's a whole lot of speculation out there, but no one has been able to come up with a 100 percent set in stone statement that the world will be an awful place if that happens. My opinions may change in the future but for now, especially while both countries are dependent on each other in multiple ways, I just don't see it as as much of a pressing issue -- or, at least, that there's far more pressing issues out there these days, such as rebuilding tornado-stricken cities or living in a country with such disappointing and discriminatory marriage laws.
Also: has China even stated that it has designs on becoming the foremost world power on Earth, or are we assuming that as well?
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Post by Chaos on May 24, 2011 17:06:21 GMT -5
Presidents don't really have an impact on the economy... Most presidents that have "helped the economy" just got lucky (ie Clinton and the technological surge in his time period, which DEFINITELY helps the economy, but it's not like he invented it all). + in all honesty, political status (Rep/Dem/whatever) doesn't really matter and lots of presidents are very similar and would be no matter who ends up being president. Bush and Obama are actually REALLY similar, so you can't go blaming political parties there.
On the China issue: THEY NEED US/WE NEED THEM so I don't think it matters who is the 'most powerful' in the world. It's not like they become a little bit more powerful and then they'll just nuke the States. It'd be incredibly dumb.
My current vote is still Obama because of the whole "second term means less restrictions" type thing and I think he would crack down on immigration laws, which sorta needs to happen, speaking as someone who lives on a border to Mexico (I think whites are actually in the minority here).
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Post by Atecom on May 24, 2011 17:56:41 GMT -5
I get the feeling that more than presidents being similar, it just that presidents are always hesitant to change the status quo too much. Obama and Bush actually have extremely different viewpoints on how things should be handled, but presidents such as Obama just fail to make much impact on how things were given to them.
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Post by Chaos on May 24, 2011 18:27:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that actually makes more sense. Especially since Obama is wanting to be reelected he isn't going to want to rock the boat too much.
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Post by Clone on May 24, 2011 22:31:19 GMT -5
not wanting to rock the boats been the biggest problems with presidency's. everyone's playing it safe and so far safe hasn't gotten use to far...
to be fair, Obama has actually rocked the boat a bit, he's been gaining some good respect form me which his refusal of some statuesque things. but even with that i still feel like were going no where. (government healthcare's going to really increase the deficit if we cant get some parc to balance out fast)
Your Furniture Was Expensive, because you were asking. i really don't care that much if were number two or what ever in the future, as long as we've got jobs and a country with its head screwed on strait (currently it doesn't and is filled with bums) then i'm all fine with it.
also China's been flexing its new found power recently, however their economic monopoly is 100% dependent on outside sources. the country would claps if the USA decided to cut ties (or if they stopped manipulating there currency). right now China's got all the "dumb" jobs (factory work) while the rest of the world (dominance of USA) have the creative jobs. (the ones that tell the assembly workers what to make)
*crosses fingers that no one here's an assembly line worker* its just the way i see it. (respect for some one who can do the same thing a thousand times a day but think about it, you don't think in that job)
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Post by YFWE on May 24, 2011 22:48:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I think you pretty much said exactly what I was thinking.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on May 25, 2011 10:22:22 GMT -5
The only good times is during the Reagan administration, Trump admired him a lot, he did a lot of actions than just talk. And again, Reagan did said this,
"Government is not the solution, government is the problem."
That's why there are people wishing someone with lots of common sense and skills to raise a lot of money like Trump to lead the White House just for at least 1 term. You're not only remembering China stealing our jobs, you don't forget OPEC's tyrannical control of oil, our soldiers and military assets are all but police assets AND are used by our foreign friends FOR FREE!!
And watch out, if China did became #1 in military power, it will be set in stone and when America becomes #2, that will become the biggest humiliation in the entire history. You all should be #1 (And stay #1) and you all have the most powerful military power in the world, if you let China to get away with it, one day they'll develop new technologies based on OUR technology. And again, more new Chinese products will be built. Remember back in January when President Hu ordered several hundred Boeing planes? This is NO BUSINESS! According to Trump, he bought those planes NOT to trade for cash to help you with the deficits, they're using those planes to strip them off, study the schematics and they'll create their own Chinese versions, it'll be a giant threat to Boeing & Airbus if that happens!
Overall, think about it. If you vote for the wrong leader, it's bye-bye and one day our regrets will turn into even bigger ones, bigger than voting for Bush for the 2nd term and again voting for Obama!
EDIT : Chaos, when you said China need us, but hold on a moment, why aren't they paying us? We protect them because we're SO OVER-GENEROUS with tons of goodwill! THIS IS NO computer RTS game! We protect South Korea and what the hell, turn on the carrier's nuke engine and then you have cost that sucker thousands of dollars just to move that carrier from open sea to near the North, and they don't even pay us! What is this? RTS game!
Moreover, in Libya, China is their biggest customer in oil, why aren't they involved? Why is it have to be the US? We are not gods, sure, we're #1 superpower, BUT we're also very very poor now! So why isn't China helping us out or help to take care of the Libya crisis. Obama could have called the Chinese to work out on Libya, why, just let the American people alone to solve the problems instead of letting all of us around the world to help together?
And in the middle east such as Kuwait, they don't pay us when we still protect them, if Trump were president, he'll say, "Our soldiers will go home unless you pay us some billions of dollars in cheques. This is business, give us money and we'll continue to protect you, or else, goodbye, you're on your own to defend yourself!"
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Post by Clone on May 25, 2011 13:49:59 GMT -5
"Government is not the solution, government is the problem." That's why there are people wishing someone with lots of common sense and skills to raise a lot of money like then explain to me why we elected for government healthcare? (AKA, larger government) there's obviously less wanting small government than wanting large government. (i preference smaller) That's why there are people wishing someone with lots of common sense and skills to raise a lot of money like Trump to lead the White House just for at least 1 term. you really do over estimate a presidents power. not to mention a man that's proven his inability to be profitable. even Bill Gates or Steve Jobs have proven them selves more capable. And watch out, if China did became #1 in military power, it will be set in stone and when America becomes #2, that will become the biggest humiliation in the entire history. You all should be #1 (And stay #1) and you all have the most powerful military power in the world, if you let China to get away with it, one day they'll develop new technologies based on OUR technology. And again, more new Chinese products will be built. Remember back in January when President Hu ordered several hundred Boeing planes? This is NO BUSINESS! According to Trump, he bought those planes NOT to trade for cash to help you with the deficits, they're using those planes to strip them off, study the schematics and they'll create their own Chinese versions, it'll be a giant threat to Boeing & Airbus if that happens! first, China's still a while behind us and spends less on military. second, China bought plains that were engineered in the 70's. 3rd, any patents that were on those plains are now mute due to age. 4th, China doesn't abide by patents 5th, Chines engineers cant engineer to save their lives. (no seriously, everything they make has been a death trap or engineered by another country) 6th, Boeing & Airbus are about to roll out a new line of plains that trump there predecessors. lastly, no ones paying us because no ones got money. (except for china, and china's money wont last long once there inflation starts to show. all manufacturing will just move to Africa)
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Post by Chaos on May 25, 2011 15:20:32 GMT -5
Yeah, China's not paying us because we're already in debt to them BIG TIME.
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Post by Atecom on May 25, 2011 17:32:42 GMT -5
EDIT : Chaos, when you said China need us, but hold on a moment, why aren't they paying us? We protect them because we're SO OVER-GENEROUS with tons of goodwill! THIS IS NO computer RTS game! We protect South Korea and what the hell, turn on the carrier's nuke engine. Malaysia protects China and South Korea?
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on May 25, 2011 21:42:33 GMT -5
I am a fan of the US, so the "We" I refer to IS the US itself. Malaysia? No way, they can't do that, the reason is simple, they protect themselves and also they don't have the sufficient military might to do so. Moreover, they don't have the right amount of funds to help out compare to the US itself.
Chaos, we OWE them money? Are you sure? Normally it should be the other way round when they're now super rich. I'm not quite sure, but what I know is China stole all of our jobs, our products are all made by them today, where are all of the "Made in USA" labelled products like glass & TVs, etc.. today? Without those manufacturing jobs and existing local factories close down, this is only making US weaker and weaker and the population will be in the state of unrest if the politicians don't do something to bring jobs back, Trump has the knowledge in doing so.
And again, when was the last time do we have the money we build big bridges & airports? Today is mostly in Asia & the Arab nations, that's an ugly sight.
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Post by Clone on May 26, 2011 11:40:42 GMT -5
you really do confuse people when you go WE and I and you don't live in a territory or state. but what ever...
We actually owe China a vary large sum of money, more money than Trump has ever seen in his life. the way China's been able to gather our debit is threw its purchasing of bonds. only thing keeping us afloat is the fact that they have yet to cash them in...
as a Michigander i feel the lack of road funding every day in the form of the daily pot-hole festival called our roads. getting tired of laying parcty roads... so many politicians don't seem to think past 4 years, so they place in paper thin roads that break with in a few years just for the next person to do the same. (our oldest paved roads got 4 times the amount of concrete than the current build code, and guess what, it hasn't been replaced ONCE in its 100 years existence! why cant we spend that bit of extra cash to build parc that actually lasts?)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on May 26, 2011 21:35:33 GMT -5
I rather not mention my original country for privacy reasons, and yes, I apologize. So far, I always refer myself to be in the US because I'm a big fan to it.
And I don't seem to remember we owe a lot of money to China, but how can it be possible when Trump said they're earning billions of dollars this year, if they do, don't you think they can use that profit to cover the money which are borrowed from the US?
Your last paragraph has a right statement too, Trump will surely repair roads or even build new schools, but unfortunately, our current politicians all invest mostly in overseas military operation as well as building new stuff for the Middle East, but those countries are very unstable, Day 1, build a road in Iraq, Day 2 build a school in Iraq, and then Day 3, terrorists blew up both the road and school, Day 4, start everything all over again. WHAT A WASTE of money! Trump will put a stop to it, what he'll do is to rebuild ourselves first!
Right now he might reconsider re-entering the election, but let's hope he'll do, because China is still the primary issue, and I think the lobbyists are controlling our politicians here.
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Post by Clone on May 30, 2011 0:39:59 GMT -5
no problem there, the closest i go is the state i live in. (some times university, but there about 30k of us on campus so i'm still pretty darn anonymous)
we do, China has been buying up Americas bonds instead of US citizens. once those bonds mature all that china needs to do to kill our economy is ask for that money.
problem, only the highway infrastructures actually ran by the government. going to need some one with a bit of forward thinking at the state level. (states control their public roads, government controls interstates)
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