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Post by Clone on Jul 25, 2011 16:23:37 GMT -5
because any good technical thread needs one on this interesting move from Redmond.
it has been confirmed theirs a dedicated button so far in the OS for switching back to regular desktop mode (what windows 7 looks like) for applications and people that don't favor the tablet based interface. however its unconfirmed weather or not the desktop implementation of the OS will default to that or the tablet tiles system.
also up on the news for it a beta build of the OS should be coming out some time this fall with an estimated release date of fall 2012.
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Post by dragonuproductions on Jul 26, 2011 4:20:21 GMT -5
Saw some videos of this and i'm really excited to see the full release. I hope that Apple sees the great potential in this and adds touch capability to their future MacBook Pro's for BootCamp
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Post by Clone on Aug 7, 2011 14:07:23 GMT -5
theirs word that Apple may be moving to ARM for its future laptops.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 9, 2011 7:11:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't like Windows 8. After watching the preview video, they blend in the Windows Phone OS into the whole PC Windows world. DAMMIT! No good son of a *****, smartphone OS & PC OS worlds must remain separate!
DAMMIT, I HATE those ugly boxes!
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Post by dragonuproductions on Aug 9, 2011 21:44:00 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with you. I think that this is a step in the right direction when it comes to the evolution of technology. And I felt it coming ever since I got my iPod Touch 2-3 years ago. The fluidity and simplicity of digital working environments need to evolve and that is what it is doing. In my opinion i'm done with keyboard and mouse now. Touch & motion control are both awesome technologies with lots of potential Hope for more updates from Microsoft soon
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 11, 2011 10:37:55 GMT -5
Sure, it's a good step forward, except the interface is UUUuuuggggllllyyyy!! No wonder why there aren't a lot of people interested in buying Windows smartphones in the first place, few reasons being :
1. They prefer iOS or Android 2. Lack of Apps 3. Ugly square boxes instead of the normal usual icons & desktops.
My main reason for hating Win8 is obviously #3. But hold on, I spoke to a good Apple friend of mine, he also told me about Windows 8 as well, but my hatred is still strong with the same reason BUT I did told him some additional things.
1. Win7 on Win8 is peanuts, nothing special. 2. I prefer Win8 to be like an upgraded Win7 while the interface is kept intact as it should be 3. Even Win8 can utilize touch, but ONE BIG GAP!! HELLO, computer monitors CANNOT support touch without putting so much money into such technology. 4. A huge touchscreen monitor of a size bigger than A4 paper is freakin' expensive, there's no way a computer company can do something like that at the moment. 5. It may kick Apple's a$$ for being left behind against the Mac OS X series, but it will all fall short because of the lack of touch for monitors. 6. Sure absolutely, keyboard & mouse still works, but I still hate it when they totally forgot about the current market that doesn't have touch monitors. Our touch monitors only now available for smartphones and tablets only, bigger sizes are not counting in yet, even if they did, it's still too expensive to mass produce and sell.
Main reasons, primarily is the monitors. But my main primary reason for the hatred is the ugly interface, smartphone OS & the PC OS MUST remain separate! Don't fuse them again! This is no Android Honeycomb + Gingerbread = Ice Cream Sandwich combine! What Microsoft did is a VERY VERY BAD MISTAKE!!
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Post by Clone on Aug 17, 2011 1:35:56 GMT -5
ok Kokusho, seriously, learn to read and research before arguing about anything. the interface that Microsoft's been showing off for Windows 8 is for mobile systems. AKA parc that wont be a desktop.m also Micorsofts decision to support ARM processors is a clear indication that Windows 8 will finally be a Windows that can run on something small and low powered. (AKA not desktops) Micorsofts all ready confirmed that you will be able to switch between the new UI and a updated version of the windows 7 UI at will. you wont have to use a tablet oriented interface on a keyboard and mouse www.iniyant.com/microsoft-windows-8-preview-new-ui-web-powered-apps-and-ie10-video/and no MS isn't making a mistake, their being rather intelligent in catering to a fledgling market thats rapidly expanding and is worth billions. not to mention right now theirs all ready 3 major contenders in the Tablet OS and now MS will be able to enter it as the 4th. (i'm starting to feel like your that guy when windows 95 released that said DOS was better) also, use a ****ing Windows 7 Phone before you go talking smack about it. everyone whose touched mines been jealous. (these are people that use androids and Apples too, which surprised me) ------------------------ on another note, Microsoft's announced official support for Natal in Windows 8. also Windows 8 'apps' will be built in HTML5 and JavaScript instead of requiring .NET or C++
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 21, 2011 10:50:26 GMT -5
I did saw the video here, That's what caused me to rant, I didn't jump to conclusion about it just now. And like I said, when you start Windows, it'll become like Windows Phone from the start and the traditional UI is more like running Windows 7 on 8, that is just peanuts, it's annoying to switch between the default Windows Mobile mode to emulated Win7 mode. Like I said, I don't care if they put in touchscreen features, sure, they can try to be like Android Ice Cream Sandwich to join both tablet and smartphone together, but this is NO Android project, PC & mobile devices don't mix well together. And yeah, jealous all you want, and I'm a designer, I just hate those boxes (I love Android and I'm proud of it), they're just a real ugly sight like I said it many times and it needs major work. Windows Mobile 6 IS THE BETTER CHOICE, it's kind of like a clone to the Blackberry UI, simple enough. Moreover, I didn't rant on the WM6 neither on the others like Blackberry (It hasn't been changed so much in terms of its UI) since I have a respect for them, but when WM7 showed up, that's a dead blow to the designers' world. But then again, it may please the others but it won't please some and includes me too. If Windows 8 have the mode of having the olde Windows 7 UI but upgraded with some new stuff a little bit, I'll use that mode instead, rather than suffering with the ugly boxes. But then again, make sure it's a permanent mode I can use rather than as an emulator mode, same case like XP fanatics prefer to use the permanent WinXP OS rather than using the emulated WinXP mode running on Vista or 7.
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Post by Clone on Aug 21, 2011 23:22:59 GMT -5
i will agree the movement of the standard UI to a mobile friendly one is a bit of a disappointment as its not as desktop friendly however do remember that Apple just did the same to its Desktop OS so MS must be doing something right. (also after 20 years Apple's OS finally got a full screen mode, man are they slow in the apple camp)
the UI look of color boxes is all just a preference and apparently you have a vary strong one against it. however do remember Windows has all ways been extremely customizable so i'm expecting UI mods to change its looks. (i'm a fan of a cleaner looking OS though, all ready run windows XP threw 7 in a cleaned up UI mode that's a half way point between the tradition UI and the shown one)
just one thing though, you have obviously never used windows mobile 6 before if your saying that, that was better than windows phone 7. (that OS was such a peace of parc MS didn't even port over any code from it when building Phone 7)
COMPLETELY agree on the last bit you posted though. (minus the ugly part) really hope that MS doesn't **** this up and make it an emulation mode only, other wise businesses are going to be leaving in droves and i would be sticking to Win7 as my primary. only time will tell and the upcoming public beta.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 22, 2011 5:03:14 GMT -5
I may not use WM6, but I use an old Symbian, the UI and features may not be the same but the concepts are. As for the whole WP7, other than the ugly boxes like I said, if I were a designer, I would redesign the UI to change from the boxes into icons & folders, in this way, the lameness will be eliminated. Icons inside boxes are just no good, it's like mosaic but this one is still not considered mosaic too. I heard about the Xbox also got the same boxy UI, I checked in Google Images and key in "Xbox 360 UI", I find them much better, putting boxes are ok, but when you include other things like avatar characters and wallpaper, now that is awesome. The boxes are also well balanced too without occupying the entire screen. Anyway, check out these concept arts I found, I wish Microsoft could make something like that. Now THOSE ARE THE REAL STUFF I'm talking about, but sadly, my guess is they will not appear out in WP8 anytime soon. wwalczyszyn.deviantart.com/art/HTC-quot-Eerie-quot-HD3-159409776estoril644.deviantart.com/art/Windows-7-Phone-Concept-167021762
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Aug 23, 2011 10:35:07 GMT -5
I just hope that W8 isn't going to look too much like a phone OS. We are PC users, not Smartphone users for f-ck's sake !
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Post by Clone on Aug 24, 2011 4:02:01 GMT -5
well Italian, the thing with Windows 8 is that its being developed for a far wider variety of platforms than any previous windows has been. (x86/x64 & ARM) however hopefully that doesn't stop MS from allowing us that prefer the traditional desktop environment from enjoying it on our desktops.
frankly its about time MS tried to be a head of the curve rather than looking like their copping Apple because MS is slow as **** at getting parc out. however lets hope that they don't do something stupid. (on the up and up, OSX is having stability problems with its latest update, Mac users are crash free no more)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 24, 2011 7:02:10 GMT -5
Yeap, Mac OS X still keeps the UI the same over time, it bores me. And let's hope W8 better also give us the traditional UI, and thanks, Italian, for being on my side where we love the traditional PC UI, not the smartphone UI. And again, Clone, I hope you checked out those concept arts, I'm sure those are the real deals I'm talking about. And by the way, I also played with my father's new HTC Mozart, yes, it was fun a little bit but I still do not like the boxy UI, the home page is always the most crucial, all the other Smartphone OSes don't break the rule of keeping the beauty of their home pages but MS is not with WP6. But luckily my father still prefers the HTC Hub and he set it as the default home page, which sports the good old HTC Sense UI, that's what he loves more better than WP6's home page.
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Post by Clone on Aug 24, 2011 13:29:52 GMT -5
Yeap, Mac OS X still keeps the UI the same over time, it bores me. And let's hope W8 better also give us the traditional UI, and thanks, Italian, for being on my side where we love the traditional PC UI, not the smartphone UI. i feel like you've not read a thing Ive written. And again, Clone, I hope you checked out those concept arts, I'm sure those are the real deals I'm talking about. i have, the first ones worthless as its just a copy of all the other Smart Phone UI's however the second ones got potential. i don't understand your hatred of the Windows Phone 7 UI, its to the point, that's the purpose instead of looking purity and having no point. if you don't like it then your opinions been voiced a zillion times over and its getting annoying. (look at your self, every post is a restatement of your distaste for the UI and little more. is this how a tech enthusiast would act?) also get your numbers right, your referencing a non existent OS when stating WP6. window's phone OS before Windows Phone 7 was Windows Mobile 6.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 25, 2011 9:32:19 GMT -5
Must have speed reading again, but I hardly care for the Mac OS though. And yes, it does copy the others' UI, but why bother, even today's Symbian's UI also looks more Android-ish, right here, www.gsmarena.com/symbian_belle_brings_major_ui_changes_looks_androidish-news-3041.phpWhy the hatred? I'm a designer now, and I criticize designs! Bad designs will always give the thumbs down. No matter what OS you're using, both the inside & outside counts! And Windows Phone failed my outside look test. And I don't care if you think I'm an enthusiast or not, well, as long as the profile of that OS is kept low, and hopefully I also won't rant, but of course, you have the right to bring those topics out and it's my own responsibility to either comment nicely or preferably shut up and don't talk about it. Whoops, sorry for the numbers, it's WP7, I've been so loyal to Android that's why I have lost track to those numbers, not even my old Symbian. And I got the feeling you're using a Windows Phone smartphone, right? Hence your strong defense to the OS itself. But save this Android VS Windows Phone civil war, it's not worth it, iOS is our true enemy! Even with Steve Jobs resign as CEO, I don't 100% see this as a real victory. I don't have my respect for him as well, Apple's continuous bad reputation made me lose all of them, range from the iPhone 4 problems, anti-Flash and most of all and infamously the big patent Cold War. Speaking of WP7 not being the brightest, here's my theory, ever since Bill Gates resigned, which my father told me he's the pirate of Silicon Valley, Microsoft lost a key man who know how to copy (but not steal) ideas. You should know how he made his Microsoft Office & IE. But as Bill Gates resigned or near his resignation, even his Office 2007 is not all that praised by everyone due to the not 100% user-friendly ribbon UI. But then again, WP7 also not all that very bright as well due to the home screen, it could have been better like I showed you the stuff I told you about.
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