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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jan 9, 2007 12:46:57 GMT -5
Highest rated?! Well, now that's a 1 on 1. If we search more so call this "Highest rated" found in some review websites, we sure that Replacements do actually do not deserve a new season, unless the review shows more possitive feedbacks against my comment here.
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blak
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Post by blak on Jan 9, 2007 14:06:32 GMT -5
There's an official blog for "The Replacements" with "Ratings News": dantat.typepad.com/dantat/the_replacements_blog/index.htmlOctober Ratings Disney Channel's original animated series The Replacements finished as TV's most watched series (broadcast & basic cable) the week of October 9-15 in Kids 6-11 (1.39 million/5.7 rating) with the episode "Halloween Spirits" that aired on Saturday, October 14. Since its premiere, The Replacements is the #1 animated series on Disney Channel with the key demographic Kids 6-11.
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Post by evildragon on Jan 9, 2007 14:12:22 GMT -5
i wonder how they figure out WHO watches WHAT... I mean, on a regular TV, when you go to Disney channel, it's not like they KNOW you're there, or even how old you are..
now, the only kinda system that would tell them what their watching (but still not age), is digital cable, or satellite.. but that only rates the show that is on when you TUNE to the channel (and it only sends if you're on the channel for more than 20 seconds, incase your just surfing)..
not a very fair rating if you ask me...
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Post by midnightzstorm on Jan 9, 2007 17:36:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know where we can find ratings?
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nyc2dragon
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Post by nyc2dragon on Jan 9, 2007 17:57:17 GMT -5
This I copied from Greg's Kim Possible page on savedisneyshows.com While we are not subjected to the old 65 episode or 3 season rule. (we wished we had that problem) It tells a lot of how Disney operates, and why they might have not renewed AmDrag. Comes down to gred, make money off the show, without having to pay for new episodes. Here is what it says.
The Problem The History and Problems of the 65 episode curse began when Michael Eisner initially took over control of Disney in 1984. Disney was on the verge of becoming bankrupt and in fact initially Michael Eisner had a Way of Promoting the Quality Animation that Disney was known for. By introducing Afternoon cartoons made by Disney for the Masses. And it was in this way that the a number of Quality Shows Like Talespin, Ducktales, Darkwing Duck and others were brought to the masses. By putting these shows on for Syndicated purposes.
Eisner's Plan was simple yet in a lot of ways would come back to haunt Disney shows after Disney rallied back from the verge of Oblivion in 1984. He would let shows run on a policy that he created wherein the Show would run for only 65 episodes, or 3 Years or television Seasons, and after which time the show would be retired.. This was the initial basis of his "Disney Afternoon Series that was seen on a lot of syndicated Television channels and the public Reveled in the idea of having Disney Animation on to enjoy...
But like all things Time Changes everything and with the Advent of low cost Cable in the late 1980's and Early 1990's Disney looked for Other venues to take their animation to, and one of them was Cable Television.. Eisner created two Channels for Disney, One the original Disney Channel, where new shows could be put out for the public to enjoy, the other was Toon Disney, a Channel where these shows could also be put on after their run on Syndicated Channels was over...
However, Eisner wasn't looking with Quality in mind... He was looking at the economics of the company... and with that he kept a simple formula. Run a show till it reached 65 Episodes, then if Need be, sell it to syndication channels or allow the show to retire...
This idea was sound on paper, however after Disney started to turn over a Profit, did Eisner see a different purpose for this policy to be in place... the ability to rotate out shows that were not doing so well in ratings, yet saving the company the cost of extending a show provided there was enough ratings..
At this point, no one really complained... that was until 1996...
In 1994, a new show came into the Syndication and was released by Disney and at first no one really worried about the show, but then something happened...
People liked the show ... and it became popular...
What show was this? It was a show that was produced by Disney Animation and was called Gargoyles
However, Eisner thought Gargoyles was risky even though the ratings on Syndicated Television Channels said otherwise... so Eisner at this point did allow the show to go on to a third season on ABC Broadcasting, Which He had acquired in 1994, and this third Season is now known as The Goliath Chronicles.. However ABC Executives complained vehemently to Eisner and eventually after one season and 13 episodes later, was this show cancelled...
Eisner however had changed tactics at this point, he no longer cared about Quality and in fact within 2 years a New Medium for Television Marketing came out...Namely Video Tape and within a Year after that.. Digital Video Discs... or DVD's came out...)
And Eisner found a new medium to exploit by producing shows that were limited to just 65 Episodes, Eisner realized that he could cut costs of producing the shows, while allowing them to be mass produced for later released on DVD's and video..
And it was at this point the Dollar signs flashed in Eisner's Eyes . . . and Greed Set in.
And sure enough Eisner didn't care at this point Ratings, of a Show or who was watching... He thought of one thing... Mass Production... and release of numerous shows...
And between the end of 1997 and now Eisner has been on average cranking out shows at a rate of 1 a year... and just in 2000 the policy yet changed again so that now on Disney Channel Eisner Cranks out 2 New shows that carry the Disney Logo...
And things would have remained the norm... except Eisner did something out of the ordinary... He approached two people who had a rather innovative idea about a Teenage Cheerleader, who when a crises occurred would go out and save the world from the clutches of Evil... those two people were Robert Schooley and Mark McCorkle ... and their Idea was the Show that we came to love today.. Kim Possible...
However Eisner isn't thinking clearly recently in the last few years Eisner has stifled a lot of Creativity by enforcing the now what we call "obsolete" 65 episode or 3 Season (which ever comes First" policy.. and in fact it's Eisner's thinking that with just 65 Episodes, you can have a viable show..
That's the problem... and this is the where Kim Possible must survive beyond 3 seasons...
Eisner has done something else with Kim Possible that he hasn't really done with other Disney shows... He has "Mass Merchandised" Kim Possible. The Toys, the Games, the Videos, and all other merchandise is part of the Kim Possible universe... and in fact is part of the reason why Kim must survive...after all we are consumers, and we buy into the Kim Possible universe..
But already Eisner thinks Kim Possible is old Hat, its Passé, and is last year's big hit... Not true... Kim Possible since its premiere on June 7th 2002, has maintained extremely high ratings and has been one of Disney Prime successes... and yet Eisner wants to kill this show just like any other Disney show before it...
It is because of his thinking, he could in theory be killing a lot more then just a show... Because behind Kim Possible, Just like Gargoyles had, there are FANS... People who enjoy Quality animation and quality Story Telling, and Kim Possible give this to the ultimate end to justify the means...
The Walt Disney Company is the ONLY Company that is known to cancel Shows after just 65 episodes or 3 seasons... No other Animation studio, Not Warner Brothers, Nor Fox have ever cancelled a Show due to just a rule like this... These Companies only cancel shows when viewship falters, and ratings slip... Disney however kills shows a lot of times when the show is in its Prime...and Kim Possible is one of these shows...
Furthermore just recently The Walt Disney Company Under Eisner has taken further steps backwards, abandoning traditional "Family values" roots and has turned The Walt Disney Company into a "Soulless" corporation the Likes of Microsoft, IBM, Enron and WorldCom. Eisner has also stopped promoting more traditional hand drawn 2D animation for in favor of Newer and Cheaper 3D Computer animation all for the benefit of the profit. Eisner because of this has also closed down the numerous Disney Feature animation Studios Located in Paris France, Tokyo Japan, and of course The Orlando, Florida studios as well leaving only the Burbank California Studios as the sole means of doing traditional 2D animation, as well as "outsourcing" other 2D animation to Studios in Korea and China.
However Kim Possible is done in traditional 2D Animation with some experimentation in 3D but Kim Possible is indeed a 2D show whose animation must not be scrapped. .
Another of the Main Problems with limiting a show with high ratings to just 65 episodes is that it limits the creativity limits of writers and producers. Kim Possible is an ongoing Story that is evolving and developing, and if a show like this was just limited to 65 episodes, well then it limits the possibility of a show becoming popular.
The Fate of Kim Possible should not be left to the hands of managerial executives at Disney all for the sake of a Profit or loss statement but rather it should be left up to the ratings of a show... The fans should have a say in the matter, and not some executive sitting in California who isn't watching the show or evaluating ways to promote it's merchandising...
In America there is a Statement where "The Customer is always right and the ratings of a Show always determine it's success or failure... and there are numerous examples of some shows that were cancelled before they reached their prime... and yet there are other examples of shows that went too far... and lost interest after 10-12 years... yet the common factor is usually that an average show lifespan nowadays is about 5 to 7 years.. And 3 years or Seasons is way too short even for Disney shows... a Show should be carried out to its logical Conclusion...not just carried half way then terminated with out some means of being brought to a conclusion. For the CEO of Disney a lot of his thinking is that to give the fans just a glimpse, then when things get going good, to terminate a show even if it has the highest ratings ever. Eisner likes to tease... and for the fans it leaves them wondering one day ... "What happened to the Show that I loved?"
As Long as a Fan base remains strong, as long as a Show has good ratings, a Show shouldn't be cancelled, and with a show that has a merchandising base, this gives more of a reason NOT to cancel a show... it should flourish and survive, and the only way a show should end, is when the viewer says so. No Executive or Board of Directors should be allowed to make such a decision. After all the customer is always correct, and in Disney's case, the fan of the show has the final say.
After all Disney Channel's Motto is "Disney Channel, Made just for you," and the question is this, if Disney Channel is made just for us, don't we have a say in the matter of what shows are cancelled and which ones are not? After all this is a Democracy that we live in not an autocracy, we the fans have the last say on what stays and goes.. And we say that Kim Possible is one of the best shows that Disney has had to offer in about 9 years... A show like Kim Possible only occurs every 10 years... and usually when it does, it shouldn't fade away with the fond memories, or the rememberances of a joke or two.. Just Like the Star Trek Series, which was later revived... it should be cherished and embraced not by just one generation but by all who follow us... And that's why Kim should survive... after all her motto is "She can do anything" but it is the Fan that decides her fate... pure and simple.
I agree about the time change part. Before Gargoyles, their shows had no long term story arcs or character growth. (Gummi Bears had some character growth. The Princess didn't know about the excitence of Gummi Bears in the beginning, later she had a rival princess, than they become friends, and the other princess in turn finds out about the GB, and they had a series finale)
Which is why there was not that strong of an out cry when shows like Ducktales, Chip 'n' Dales Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, etc., as Disney was able to get away with it, because the characters stayed the same. I am not criticize these classic shows, but it is the truth. But if they were not together already, characters were not going to get together, villians were not going to turn good, and vice versa.
In those days, when these shows ended, fans were disappointed, there were no more new episodes, but more willing to accept it, because there was going to be no character growth. No cliffhanger type of feel.
AmDrag for example, one of the main reasons, we want the show to continue, at least I do, is to see how these characters continue to grow, and what stories develop, etc.
All this info doesn't help us save Jake, but it gives us an idea on how Disney operates, and why we want it to continue.
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fudogg
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Post by fudogg on Jan 9, 2007 18:04:27 GMT -5
That's a really good point, and we should have a say. Without us, there really is no DC.
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Max Power
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Post by Max Power on Jan 9, 2007 18:49:01 GMT -5
That's a really good point, and we should have a say. Without us, there really is no DC. Actually, without girls age 6-11, there's no DC.
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Post by midnightzstorm on Jan 9, 2007 20:07:30 GMT -5
Oooh I remember when Gargoyles ended, of course I was pretty young, but I was crushed when it ended, I wanted more.
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fudogg
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I've seen Dead Man's Chest enough times to know that this is not a good thing...[ss:Lao Shi]
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Post by fudogg on Jan 9, 2007 20:17:49 GMT -5
Okay, I sent an email to every person on the "send disney an e-mail" page. Unfortuntly, 2 of them failed and Gary Marsh is refusing mail. Although I think I sent one to him on Saturday or Sunday. I sent one to 2 of those people over the weekend and I did the rest tonight. I think Garry was the one which I sent one tonight and over the weekend, so maybe he did get one of my emails.
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Post by redemption on Jan 9, 2007 20:27:57 GMT -5
So now what do we do?
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Post by midnightzstorm on Jan 9, 2007 20:34:46 GMT -5
Keeping sending emails. And get ready your letter for Save Jake Day! Also make sure everyone knows.
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Post by redemption on Jan 9, 2007 20:37:14 GMT -5
Ahhh, the benefits of being the member of many different forums... XD
I'll spread the word.
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Post by midnightzstorm on Jan 9, 2007 20:42:00 GMT -5
Good girl. I am not a big forum person, so I don't have that many places to post.
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Vakama
Young Warrior Dragon
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Post by Vakama on Jan 9, 2007 20:51:28 GMT -5
Ive spread the word in my art thread, they should know what to do from there.
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fudogg
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I've seen Dead Man's Chest enough times to know that this is not a good thing...[ss:Lao Shi]
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Post by fudogg on Jan 9, 2007 21:09:55 GMT -5
Keeping sending emails. And get ready your letter for Save Jake Day! Also make sure everyone knows. I need a letter? I've never done anything like this before, and I don't know what happens.
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