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Post by The New Zealand Dragon on Mar 18, 2009 22:40:11 GMT -5
Prison is not torture. Otherwise detention and getting grounded are torture too. They are all things for you to think about your actions. And as for physical/psychological torture they are different. One involves causing bodily harm and generally uses other people to hurt people which is sadistic and cruel and disgusting and the other i will admit isn't nice but it doesn't directly cause harm like shooting someone with frozen paintballs. Also i think prison life isn't that bad. I've seen our prisons and the worst thing that could happen is getting beaten up by another convict.
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Post by lildevil92 on Mar 18, 2009 22:45:15 GMT -5
Lolol.
Are you put in detention for 25 years? Are you grounded for 40 years? No. So, comparing detention and getting grounded to torture is completely stupid.
Psychological harm usually is worse than physiological harm, if you're mindf*cked, then you're more likely to commit suicide, if you're beat by an inmate or got surprise buttsecks in the showers, that isn't gonna make you kill yourself.
You're assuming a lot. You assume too much actually. It SEEMS that it isn't bad. But have you stayed in one? Even for a night? I've stayed in jail for one night, just for one night, and it gave me the creeps.
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Post by The New Zealand Dragon on Mar 18, 2009 22:51:15 GMT -5
Ok asking if I have stayed in a prison is such a stupid idea you know how old I am I have told you before. If the legal system stuffed up for you and you got sent to death I'm sure you would change your mind, but not while it's affecting people you don't know. I used those 2 things as example because there aren't many other things i can compare prison to. Telling me psycological harm is worse? Ok go shoot yourself in the arm then shoot your friend in the arm and what hurts more the pain of guilt or the pain of the wound.
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Post by lildevil92 on Mar 18, 2009 22:55:37 GMT -5
What will effect you in the long run? Guilt, or a long forgotten pain?
Prison and lock up are two different things. Uh huh, because I'm gonna get caught up in a murder case. You seem to be using an extreme, unlikely case to try to get your point across.
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Post by spyder on Mar 19, 2009 6:53:49 GMT -5
lol Hang on a minute, I'm confused. Why are you suddenly acting so humanitarian, Liam? Mentioning how you think life sentences in prison are forms of torture, didn't you just say that people who commited murder crimes deserved that kind of punishment anyway? In fact... Torture those who deserved to be tortured, whether they killed someone in God's name, or because they're mental. I understand prison has harsh conditions, but as said before, that's the whole point. You're not going there to have a fun time and put your feet up. Those psychologically scaring conditions are the punishment that these criminals face for commiting murders or trafficing drugs. If anything the death penalty is a cop out, because you avoid any real punishment. It's quick, fast and painless. The whole idea of the death penalty decreasing the amount of crime is a myth, because a lot of these kind of criminals hardly fear death anyway. Particularly terrorists who take part in suicide bombings, it was their aim to begin with! But the idea of living in those frightful conditions for basically the remainder of your existence is a much more intimidating thought.
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Post by lildevil92 on Mar 19, 2009 7:02:03 GMT -5
I don't think you understand my seemingly rapid change of heart. =D Everything I've said is still pro-capital punishment, I've just argued that a life sentence is a psychological form of torture, and that most people who are against death sentences, are also against torture (even if they have no problem with life sentences).
I want death sentences because it's quick and easy. Oh I know that the death penalty doesn't reduce crime rates. Most people who can't handle life sentences just kill themself anyway, why not do it for them?
Oh Lewis, you're adopted and no one loves you. =D
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Post by spyder on Mar 19, 2009 7:11:53 GMT -5
Well there you go, that explains a lot. =D
But I have to say, to me that just seems like too much of a generalisation. I happen to know quite a lot of people who are pro-torture yet anti-capital punishment. Besides, I think it's a little different when you're dealing with someone who has murdered someone else. I think the people you're referring probably dislike torture being irrationally abused, but again that's mainly in third world countries and we've been through that already.
Oh and Liam, Santa Claus isn't real. :D
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Post by lildevil92 on Mar 19, 2009 7:16:31 GMT -5
He isn't? =O Are you saying I've been MISINFORMED for 16 years? =O
Yeah, my arguments never really make much logical sense. =D
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Post by The New Zealand Dragon on Apr 2, 2009 0:59:33 GMT -5
^ He admits it! I'm going to go to Disneyland to celebrate!
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Post by lildevil92 on Apr 2, 2009 1:53:11 GMT -5
^ Don't get carried away They're still more stronger than any of your ones. =]
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Post by The New Zealand Dragon on Apr 2, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -5
^I dont put much effort into mine and you try to strengthen yours with put downs.
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Post by lildevil92 on Apr 2, 2009 23:21:37 GMT -5
^ How convenient. My arguments are still better prepared and more effective, even if I do add put downs, it doesn't weaken the quality, I still get my point across.
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Post by Lucille Bluth on Apr 3, 2009 1:34:43 GMT -5
I think putting put-downs in an argument, even with good facts and points, is a bit childish.
But this isn't a discussion about put-downs thread.
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Post by lildevil92 on Apr 3, 2009 1:42:48 GMT -5
^ It isn't? =O Can we turn it into one?
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