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Post by charles finley. on Dec 3, 2008 23:33:34 GMT -5
Alright! Abortion.
I've been kinda wanting to bring this up for awhile, but nothing really made me think about it until a recent blog. Also, we need something new since the nobody cares about the presidential debate anymore. XD
Please, respect other peoples views! This isn't supposed to be a freaking flame war, this is supposed to be a respectful debate; if you don't agree, you don't agree. You don't have to be such an ass about it. I know that when you sometimes try to bring up a point, you can sound a bit b-tchy. I know that's common, and I know that people shouldn't get freaked out by it. When it's intended, it is not cool. Got it? I will have this thread locked if I see any flaming.
I would also like to ask that you state your reasons. I don't want to see any "OMG NO IT'S JUST WRONG" or "OMG I SUPPORT IT". An intelligent response would be nice.
Okayy ... Uh. So, let's start: for or against?
Personally, I'm all for it. Why?
We all know that woman have been denied rights for years. It took us forever to get us to vote, to go to school, ... to get great jobs. While we've become so much better, we're also still not there yet. With abortion becoming such a big deal now-days, I feel like that if it becomes banned in every state, we're not given our rights. "Pursuit of happiness", people. If that includes not having a baby and getting an abortion, so be it. A lot of people have said that it was intended for men, but you know what? We're not in freaking 1770 anymore.
I also don't agree with it being illegal everywhere due to the horrible ways that an abortion could be, as apposed to a professional, medical one. An abortion, if not done correctly, can be Hostel gruesome. If a woman doesn't want the baby and she's driven not to have it, she'll get rid of it. Some people think that the medical ones are bad, but I'd prefer a medical one instead of a coat hanger, one that's most likely not sterile and done in the back of an alley. I just have to ask this; if it's banned in all 50 states, would you seriously rather have two people be at a greater risk of dying instead of one? Uh, that's pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.
In general, that's where I stand. Yes, I have looked at both sides of it, and I do see the pro and cons of both sides. However, I feel that I agree more with it being legal everywhere than it not.
What about you guys?
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Post by lildevil92 on Dec 3, 2008 23:40:33 GMT -5
OMG NO ITS JUST WRONG!
Just wait for the impending rush of christf*gs. =]
Yes, I agree completely. Abortion is the safest choice for someone who isn't ready to be a mother, or when it threatens her blah blah blah.
Also, it will help with the overpopulation problem, the capacity Earth has is being filled up very quickly.
Unfortunately, religion is being mixed with society, politics and law, when it should never be. The say that religious people have is far too strong.
What are the cons? Oh no, we killed an unborn fetus, since I don't like using the word baby to define anything unborn...and we're denying the fetus' right to life.
But, this will always be a controversial issue, considering most women won't go through this in their life.
tl;dr I'm for it, christf*gs suck. =D
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Post by YFWE on Dec 3, 2008 23:42:18 GMT -5
I'm for keeping it legal, since I'm all for choice.
Now, if it were me and my significant other faced with the decision, I'm not sure that either of us could go through with it. But I think that you should be able to if you absolutely want to.
And for the record, I am one of these 'christf*gs' you speak of, I suppose, since I am a Christian and all.
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Post by feelgoodfailure on Dec 4, 2008 0:08:48 GMT -5
This thread is a disaster waiting to happen.
I approve! :3
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Post by charles finley. on Dec 4, 2008 0:11:27 GMT -5
This thread is a disaster waiting to happen. What thread in the news stand isn't? xD
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Post by feelgoodfailure on Dec 4, 2008 0:14:50 GMT -5
Good point! Just the thought of the disaster-ridden News Stand section makes me want to puke a fu*king rainbow of lust, mixed with hints of newborn puppies and maybe a little splish-splash of Colt 45.
But don't let THAT stop you from letting the giraffe hop on the camel's back! (..whatever i meant by that.)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Dec 4, 2008 2:12:31 GMT -5
When I was in Australia, I saw a campaign to say "Abortion is NOT a crime". I mind my own business, even if I was in, I would quote some bible parts and say NO to abortion.
Sure, abortion may not look like a crime, but actually it is. Aborting a baby is like destroying God's work. Sex is very tempting and people want some more so they can feel good, well, you'll get the rest of what I mean of how pleasure sex can be. That's why they allow abortion, and I'm sure those supporters of abortions are, to be honest, a bunch of porn fans & porn stars. Nothing else. Me, although I do look at porn, but I don't go way over the edge to support abortion, no matter if I already had sex or not.
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Post by lildevil92 on Dec 4, 2008 2:23:42 GMT -5
When I was in Australia, I saw a campaign to say "Abortion is NOT a crime". I mind my own business, even if I was in, I would quote some bible parts and say NO to abortion. Sure, abortion may not look like a crime, but actually it is. Aborting a baby is like destroying God's work. Sex is very tempting and people want some more so they can feel good, well, you'll get the rest of what I mean of how pleasure sex can be. That's why they allow abortion, and I'm sure those supporters of abortions are, to be honest, a bunch of porn fans & porn stars. Nothing else. Me, although I do look at porn, but I don't go way over the edge to support abortion, no matter if I already had sex or not. Supporters of abortion are nothing but porn fans and stars? Lmao. Barack Obama = Porn star Non-religious people = Porn fans. I knew the first anti-abortion comment would be a fuc*ing religious one.
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Post by charles finley. on Dec 4, 2008 2:25:49 GMT -5
I'm sure those supporters of abortions are, to be honest, a bunch of porn fans & porn stars. Nothing else.. So, you basically just said that me, a fourteen year old girl, is a porn fan because I support abortion? That's kinda uncalled for, dude.
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Post by feelgoodfailure on Dec 4, 2008 2:41:35 GMT -5
I take back my previous statement. I sense no disaster here. Just normal forum goings-on.
O, how I love being a part of this place ^_^
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Post by wishingiwasadragon on Dec 4, 2008 3:49:02 GMT -5
I'm for abortion. (*deep breath* this is gonna come out really stupid...) I believe that women have a right to do what they wish with what they created, as long as their is good reason for it. Acceptable (or what I find to be) are when 1) The woman feels that they cannot provide a healthy environment for the child. 2) The woman was raped. 3) The couple involved in making the child DID use protection but it malfunctioned (see? stupid.). I understand where the other side is coming from: "What right do we have to decide who lives and who doesn't?" Women have every right because it is a part of THEIR BODY. They made the decision to create a life. They have the same right to take it away. God does not create babies. Sex does. To back up this statement for all of the religious people out there, I'll share a condensed version of a little story I heard at my CHURCH retreat: "When there was a flood, I managed to get up to my roof before it could get to me. At one point a boat came to me, offering me escape. I replied 'Thank you, but God shall save me.' So the boat left. Later, a helicopter came to me offering me help, but again I replied 'Thank you, but God shall save me.' So the helicopter. Eventually, I died. When I reached heaven, I met with God and asked 'Why did you not rescue me?' God then replied, 'I sent a boat AND a helicopter to save you!'" God really has no direct effect on our lives. He assists us through oportunities. He gives us the oportunities to make babies through sex, therfore giving us the responsibility of creating life, as well as what we do with the life. I am NOT saying people should go around and get abortions for every one night stand they have. THAT is just unfair. However, whenever circumstances rip the women of their ability to control their situation, they must have the right to decide what they can choose. And as for Kokusho's comment, everything I believe has already been said. (*phew*)
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Post by lildevil92 on Dec 4, 2008 5:03:45 GMT -5
When I was in Australia, I saw a campaign to say "Abortion is NOT a crime". I mind my own business, even if I was in, I would quote some bible parts and say NO to abortion.Where in the bible does it say abortion is wrong?
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Dec 4, 2008 9:16:28 GMT -5
Well, personally I approve abortion in only a few cases : - U got raped and U got a child ---> OK - U're still not 18 ----> OK - Extremely bad disease for the baby ( Imagine WTF is bad enough to justifiy it ) ---> OK
Except this case.... SHUT THE FREAK UP !
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Post by lildevil92 on Dec 4, 2008 9:20:51 GMT -5
Well, personally I approve abortion in only a few cases : - U got raped and U got a child ---> OK - U're still not 18 ----> OK - Extremely bad disease for the baby ( Imagine WTF is bad enough to justifiy it ) ---> OK Except this case.... SHUT THE FREAK UP ! Well, sorry to tell you, but abortion doesn't need your approval. Why does everyone call it a baby, when it is not even born yet?
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Post by YFWE on Dec 4, 2008 10:25:55 GMT -5
Kokusho, I'm a Christian, and I myself cannot tell you where in the bible it says that abortion is wrong. The comment you made about those of us who approve of it was highly uncalled for. I'd rather that this not turn into a flame war, everyone. Yes, you can obviously agree with each other, but try your best to respect others' opinions as well. But then, I can't really save you if you make certain outlandish comments, because you just set yourself up for ridicule in that case.
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