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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 31, 2009 16:02:35 GMT -5
Well guys, there you have it, Disney is going to ruin another great universe. What's next after that, DC? The proof can be found here : money.cnn.com/2009/08/31/news/companies/disney_marvel/index.htmI'm sure hardcore Marvel fans will begin to complain that Disney will surely ruin the entire Marvel universe for sure! Well Marvel fans, will your protest actually going to work? For me, I also hate the idea, at first, Disney ruined themselves since the stupid Eisner 60-episode policy, then the full focus on live action shows while creating terrible cartoons (ADJL is only so-so, don't worry, it's not completely terrible), AND NOW THIS?! You must be kidding! Our huge tyrants are going to end our "Grand World of Entertainment"! Well, looks like this is going to be one of the darkest years we ever had since after the death of our beloved King of Pop, Michael Jackson. Will 2010 promises a better future? I doubt about that.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Aug 31, 2009 20:40:31 GMT -5
I just hope that it won't end like ADJL or we're really screwed .
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Post by YFWE on Aug 31, 2009 21:39:13 GMT -5
Well, as usual when it comes to Disney, looks like I'm in the minority here, but I don't think this sounds nearly as bad as it apparently does to the rest of you. I mean, I kinda wondered if they were going to go this route eventually, given that old Marvel cartoons had been shown on Disney XD (and Toon Disney before that) from time to time. To be perfectly honest, I don't think that it will affect much in terms of either company's policy.
Though the theme park aficionado in me did wonder this almost instantly: now that Disney has bought out Marvel, I wonder what this means for, say, Universal Studios and their Marvel-themed rides. It's no secret that the Universal parks and Disney parks in Florida and California are in close competition with each other... if Disney decides to play the 'we own this now lolz' card, Universal Studios' parks (especially Islands of Adventure) could have a bit of a predicament on their hands.
...yeah, all and all, this is a very curious move. I understand why they did it, of course, and I think it has the potential to benefit both the Disney and Marvel worlds (video game crossover ala Kingdom Hearts, anyone?), but it also could go pretty wrong. I'm intrigued, though. Definitely intrigued.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Sept 1, 2009 4:10:29 GMT -5
I have my doubts on this one, YFWE, even though you said it's not going to be that bad, but we can't be sure of it since they just recently bought it. Moreover, I'm more concern about the Marvel fans, they fear Disney is not just going to screw up their movies, but as well as their great video games.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 1, 2009 5:39:40 GMT -5
That's what fears me also, because when we see what happened with many Disney stuff, if this happens with Marvle , well...
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Sept 1, 2009 8:33:52 GMT -5
Imagine Cinderella go against X-Men heroes & villains. Oh the humanity & the horror!
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Post by YFWE on Sept 1, 2009 11:42:42 GMT -5
No, I didn't say that everything was going to be fine, I said that I THOUGHT everything was going to be fine, it's just an opinion. Disney's not going to do something stupid like what you just posted, Kokusho. No one in their right minds would, really. Then again, people said the EXACT same thing about Kingdom Hearts, and look now--it's one of the most beloved franchises of the current day in video games. This all sounds exactly the same as when Disney bought Pixar--people moaning about how Disney would ruin Pixar's movies now that they were under Disney's control. And guess what? It didn't happen. Heck, nothing really changed. I think it's going to be the same way with this deal--nothing's really going to change at Marvel. It's still going to be a largely separate company, just under the larger Walt Disney Company banner. You don't see Disney characters all over ABC TV stations or ESPN, do you? They're owned by Disney. And nothing has changed with them. Just because Disney purchases something does not mean they're going to absolutely integrate every single Disney theme and character they can into what they've purchased, and most people I've talked to seem to understand this. Looks like there's just a lot of general mistrust/hatred of Disney here, which would of course spawn this sort of outcry here. I expected no less from y'all.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Sept 1, 2009 16:46:45 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, all of this outcry has to start from somewhere some how. And the answer comes from the main source which where it all began, Eisner & his 60-episode policy. The focus on live action is a different story though, but the primary & starting point has to be from the stupid 60-episode policy. I also can't believe Wikipedia doesn't have that, but I'm sure people will never forget and see this one.
If Eisner dies, there will be tons of Disney haters including myself will go hurray over him instead of crying in respect to him.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 1, 2009 20:08:33 GMT -5
I agree with Kokusho. Basically this policy means " Ok, we made an amazing show, each time we broadcast it, the audience gets blown off but after 60 eps. we'll do something else". I just hope that Eisner will die fast, it will be a real relief fro all the Disney haters.
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Post by YFWE on Sept 1, 2009 21:15:04 GMT -5
Uh, you guys know Eisner hasn't been CEO of Disney since 2005, right? He's been gone for four years. Just making sure you know this. EDIT: Also, you guys might be interested in reading this. It definitely cleared up some things for me. www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/6-things-you-should-know-about-disney-buying-marvel-neilm.phpAs you probably know by now, the big entertainment news of the day is The Walt Disney Company buying Marvel Entertainment. Shortly after the $4 billion dollar deal was announced, a shareholder conference call was held to explain some of the details. If you didn’t have a chance to sit through the call yourself, don’t worry, as we’ve got you covered. Below you will find our quick guide to what is going on — based on the information we have in front of us.
1. Disney has an “If it ain’t broke…” viewpoint toward Marvel Studios. Walt Disney President Bob Iger said specifically that Disney will have an “if it ain’t broke…” attitude when it comes to the future of Marvel films. All of the creative control — including use of 3D, which characters will get movies, etc — will remain in the hands of the people who know the Marvel Universe best: the people at Marvel. Sure, this might change down the road, but the initial sentiment is that Disney does not intend to come in and take control of Marvel’s creative world.
2. All previous deals are still in place. Paramount is still going to distribute up to five more Marvel Studios films, including Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America, Iron Man 2 and The Avengers. The also could still distribute an Ant-Man movie. As well, there are still existing deals in which other studios hold the cinematic rights to certain characters. Those are not changing. So Spider-Man is staying at Sony, X-Men is staying with Fox, and so on. Disney intends to bring those characters back in-house at some point, but there’s no indication that it will be happening anytime soon.
3. John Lasseter has met with Marvel about a Pixar team-up. Executives stated that not only has John Lasseter, the man behind Pixar and now Disney Animation, already met with the folks at Marvel, but that they were also so excited that they had to be told to calm down. The meaning here is simple: something is brewing between Marvel and Pixar, and there’s no way that can be a bad thing.
4. Disney is a brand machine. From a film marketing standpoint — and for that matter, a brand marketing standpoint — Disney is a powerhouse. Pirate of the Caribbean, the films of Pixar and all the way down to television with shows such as Lost via their ownership of ABC, Disney knows how to sell a brand. And selling the Marvel brand means more Marvel fans, more recognition in the mainstream and for those of us keeping score, more money down the road to make Marvel movies.
5. Disney backing means Marvel budgets. Disney is a smart company. During the conference call they said, in effect, that their goal is to shine a brighter light on Marvel. Which likely means marketing dollars, added funding for development and (hopefully) increased marketshare. With big Daddy Disney backing them up financially, Marvel will be able to operate at a higher level. Assuming creative control stays the same (which appears to be the case), Marvel fans can only count on more of what they love from their favorite brand.
6. A lot of details are yet to be hashed out. One very important thing to keep in mind is that there will be a great gestation period here. Marvel Entertainment has a lot of existing deals — theme parks, movie distribution, etc. — and all of those contract will be honored by Disney. It will take them a long time to reign in the Marvel Universe and obtain full creative control.
As you can see, there are good intentions all around — Disney doesn’t want to screw up their $4 billion dollar purchase, so its likely that they will let the highly profitable Marvel Studios do their thing. The questions don’t arise until far down the line, when Disney begins to take back the rights to Marvel characters. How will they handle these franchises? How many movies will they release per year? All of these questions are yet to be answered, and may not be answered for a long time. At this point, all we can say is that this deal appears to be a good one for Marvel.
Update: Paramount Pictures had the following to say via press release today:
“Paramount Pictures has enjoyed a productive and fruitful relationship with Marvel Studios from the start of our distribution agreement in 2005,” the statement began. “So much so, we announced a five-picture slate distribution deal last year which includes worldwide distribution rights for upcoming films: Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, and Iron Man 3. This distribution deal will be unaffected by today’s transaction. We look forward to continuing to work with Marvel and, with today’s announcement, to working with Disney to replicate the incredible success of Iron Man on all our future collaborative projects.”
Looks like all is well in the love triangle of Marvel/Paramount/Disney. All three have nothing to lose and everything to gain by seeing Marvel’s movies churn out a profit, so I would suspect that they will all play nice until the contract is up.
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Post by Bigboyjulzz on Sept 1, 2009 22:33:42 GMT -5
I've heard that name though
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Sept 2, 2009 0:21:33 GMT -5
Interesting story you got, I can never be convinced on something like that just yet, Eisner or not, many of us hate this guy, he only do what's best for HIMSELF, here are the 2 war quotes you should know about him, and it doesn't matter when he's CEO or not.
"The tyrant always talks as if he's preserving the best interests of his people when he actually acts to undermine them." -Ramman Kenoun "Every tyrant who has lived has believed in freedom - for himself." -Elbert Hubbard
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Ok, for the Marvel part, I still doubt about that, sure, Disney can own Marvel, BUT they rather NOT touch a single Marvel masterpiece, if it ain't broken, don't fix it!
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Post by Bigboyjulzz on Sept 2, 2009 7:13:59 GMT -5
Yup
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 2, 2009 10:07:32 GMT -5
5." Disney is a smart company". LOl. Yea and I'm Captain America now, my bro is Flash from the Incredibles and my mother is Mystique. Tsk, if they were as smarty as it's written they wouldn't have canceled many good shows during the past years. And remember this, even if we don't see changes in shows or stuff there's still unnoticeable changes that will - by combining themselves - make big changes. Keep your war mind on : what is written can be total bullcrap,even if it seems to be the truth.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Sept 2, 2009 11:23:32 GMT -5
Correct, my friend, Italian, the past cartoons has always been rocking solid while today's cartoons most of them are just getting softer. They think the live action comedies are the main big face of Disney, but to us is a disgrace! Not me, I hate High School Musical! I have my reasons why I hate the show! Being live action instead of a cartoon (Or even featured Mickey & Minnie) is one of them.
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