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Post by Clone on Apr 9, 2010 23:35:03 GMT -5
Not sure if OpenGL 4 has fixed all the problems with 64 bit machines, i don't have the problem with OpenGL 2.0 and later so luckily it shouldn't be a problem with anythign that's remotely newer. as of to Kokusho's question on the flash game, that kind of problems related to your CPU. Flash is 100% drawn by the processor. so if your lagging turn off some programs and unneeded services or check the game in a different browser or that your flash player is up to date. if you still have a problem then your out of luck. however i dough that that would ever happen. (seeing as this plays on my old 2001 dell just fine with the quality set to low)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 10, 2010 1:30:15 GMT -5
Flash games on Low quality is commonly set, I'm an enthusiast so I know what I'm doing. But except I can't pinpoint the main culprit and which one needs upgrading. Me, I always have my Flash players up to date, for the other programs, I'm not sure since some of them are crucial. And according to my Startup at msconfig, I usually don't disable software that is inside a C:\Windows folder, if I turn that off, I don't know what kind of side effects will happen. Don't worry on another thing, I use Firefox often and play games from there, IE may not have enough power to maintain well when it comes to game levels which have lots of special effects. Since you said the main culprit is the processor, I hope the new i7 which I'll get will kick my old Core2's ass, in that way, I hope my Flash game will play laglessly on max settings.
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Post by Atecom on Apr 10, 2010 7:17:16 GMT -5
Have you tried an external flash viewer, one not embedded into a browser?
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 10, 2010 8:25:03 GMT -5
The following games I played has 2 problems. Chaos Faction 2 : Won't be available for offline play until a month later due to sponsorship with Armor Games. Knight Elite : The game is freakin' locked up to avoid theft for offline play. Which means this game is ONLINE only! For some other Flash games I play, I usually use the Adobe Flash's own Flash Player which I can grab that from the Flash directory and played my games from there. And let's see what are the games I usually encounter lag, oh yeah, only a few rare games, unless you play it in Full Screen. Anyway, I got it and understood. Thanks. EDIT : Since many Flash games today are getting more sophisticated, offline downloading can be very difficult even with the supporting files downloaded. I did that, except I do not appreciate they won't work well on the regular Flash player. Sometimes even the SWF Decompiler software may have trouble to play certain games. That's why any games that are online only may risk running into lagging.
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Post by Clone on Apr 11, 2010 0:59:39 GMT -5
probably over looked in my post. Flash is drawn on the CPU and the GPU ends up idling. so if anythign its related to the CPU's performance. it runs with out any problems on my T6500 CPU. (cor2Duo clocked at 2.1GHz)
so the performance of it is entirely dependent on the driver (the player) that's used to decode it and the CPU. other things such as your OS and programs can decrease that performance.
can you tell us your processor, OS and browser and or player version?
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 11, 2010 2:24:37 GMT -5
Very well then,
Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2GHz 1.99GHz, 3GB of RAM Physical Address Extension.
OS is Windows XP SP3 (Nope, not SP2) Browser is Firefox 3.6.3 Flash Player version is 10.0.45.2 (Online based)
Sorry, that's about it, I'm not as highly enthusiast as you, so I usually don't understand everything may overlook or slip over important points.
By the way, another game that can be played offline, whether if it's normal screen or full screen, it can still lag when you play at the later levels. The other game I remembered is "Anaksha : Female Assassin". You can try that one out to know its performance. Be warned, that sniper game is 18+, contains SX & violent content. Play it at your own risk! (Remember, I always play in max settings and have little bother to set the quality to Low)
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Post by Atecom on Apr 11, 2010 3:12:55 GMT -5
Ive heard a few complaints from people that the latest versions of firefox itself has been running fairly choppy on windows, I also noticed that when I ran the latest Firefox on my XFCE desktop environment it ran really poorly as well (possibly they have started to focus on Windows Vista and windows 7?). Firefox has had a history of memory problems, on the up side its a safe browser. Try the game under google chrome and see how it goes.
It is also possible that you may have conflicting plugins, especially if you have 2 or more flash plugins for Firefox. Try disabling all your plugins except for just the bare necessities, and the adobe flash plugin.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Apr 11, 2010 9:33:16 GMT -5
Hmmm I do run on Win 7 X64 and I do use Firefox and I have absolutely no troubles. I had more troubles with it under Win XP X32 ( lol ) Also no worries, i7 kicks a$$ all the way since I do have an i7 too ( i7 860 ). For the flash problem like Atecom said , I think it comes from the CPU too.
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Post by Clone on Apr 11, 2010 19:23:54 GMT -5
well your not in any difficulty of parts based performance... got me... it is entirely possible that its XP seeing as i haven't been able to test those under an XP instillation. Fire Fox has a tendency of not performing the greatest on 2000 and XP (NT 5.o and 5.1). but will also have issues in Vista (Ive seen some pretty strange things under NT 6.0 that never happen in NT6.1)
either which way we cant really give you any advice that will benefit you. just pull up the TaskManager and check the CPU usage. if it maxes out and that's when the game starts to lag, then that's why. but if that's not the case then try a different player (browser, or dedicated). still not working then your out of luck...
note on the Nvidia 470 and 480. Nvidia claims that their still working out the drivers correctly and that's why the tested cards ran so hot. the current thoughts roll around to improper voltages right now, so that would be BIOS related so wither which way they should run a bit cooler when released to the public.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 12, 2010 1:58:01 GMT -5
Sorry Atecom, wanted to try Chrome, but sadly, it uses cache like Firefox too, I prefer if it uses Temporary Internet Files like IE did. Anyway, yes, I used to be a Firefox hater, I remember it was because of its high memory consumption until the problem was out in version 2.5 and above. Darnit, I knew my Core2s are beginning to grow weak when it comes to me installing all that junk. Even when I make backups of several pictures in a huge RAR file, the computer slows down dramatically. As for increasing the priority, I rarely do that on Firefox, sometimes messing with the priority can be dangerous and unstable unless you know what you're doing. Wow, you're using the i7 860? Mine is only a 720, an upgrade to the 820 is still expensive, as high as RM1208 is too big for me. Even in US dollars is like at least $200 or so.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Apr 12, 2010 4:52:14 GMT -5
And Kokusho, there's been a mistake in shipping, as my CPU should've been an i7 920 >.> But well even if it's only an i7 860 it works like a charm ( and god paid like 300 euros by my dad )
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 12, 2010 5:25:17 GMT -5
Ouch, if only you could trade back earlier, then your huge payment would not have been a loss over a lower model.
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Post by Atecom on Apr 12, 2010 7:12:00 GMT -5
Sorry Atecom, wanted to try Chrome, but sadly, it uses cache like Firefox too, I prefer if it uses Temporary Internet Files like IE did. Anyway, yes, I used to be a Firefox hater, I remember it was because of its high memory consumption until the problem was out in version 2.5 and above. Darnit, I knew my Core2s are beginning to grow weak when it comes to me installing all that junk. Even when I make backups of several pictures in a huge RAR file, the computer slows down dramatically. As for increasing the priority, I rarely do that on Firefox, sometimes messing with the priority can be dangerous and unstable unless you know what you're doing. Wow, you're using the i7 860? Mine is only a 720, an upgrade to the 820 is still expensive, as high as RM1208 is too big for me. Even in US dollars is like at least $200 or so. Thats a shame, it does for certain media under Ubuntu. Still, If you are using firefox anyway, why not try chrome?
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Apr 12, 2010 9:37:37 GMT -5
Woo, I heard it's not just bigger in terms of its installation size, and the other is I fear it may take more memory than Firefox. Not sure of its startup speed, but sadly, don't wanna try it because of my huge loyalty to Firefox. Like I said, if there's another browser that uses Temporary Internet Files instead of cache, I will be willing to try it. And definitely not that old Netscape Navigator Gold, that software is dead despite it's sleeping status (Not canceled, just no movement after all these years).
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Post by Clone on Apr 21, 2010 1:14:27 GMT -5
i'm just goign to mention that you can set up FireFox to run its Chain like its a temp folder. just set it to clear every time it exits. on to something else. a Cor2 isn't really all that slow for even modern things (unless you want bleeding performance). the best way to get better speed out of older processors is to remove some of the processes. (can be problematic, but some are obvious ones that can be removed)
do remember all my stuff is running off of Cor2's from the 6XXX class. (T6500 and a Q6600)
just a note, but decluttering your hard drive wont get you much performance gain if its fragmented or your issues coming from the processor. (what it will do is help with load times and memory speed due to the page file and random access times)
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