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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 8, 2010 7:02:55 GMT -5
Ahh, it'll be surprising when the 6000 series comes out. But luckily I don't need that upgrade since I'm sure the 5000 series should be able to play the games very well. If I'm not mistaken, my old Nvidia 8400M card was already obsolete since 2003, I think. And hopefully my HD 5470 should take around probably 2015 to go obsolete or who knows not at all.
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Post by Clone on Jul 8, 2010 22:25:03 GMT -5
oh man.. just did a search on the card your laptops got and i'm afraid it may be out dated a lot sooner than you thought... Link. why cant they make GPUs that pull slightly better for Laptops anyways? for instance, my 105m is built using the 65nm process when all the desktop cards of the time were using a 55nm! (that's some wasted space, heat and energy that my laptop must deal with! why? shouldn't it be the other way around?) the good news though! your cards faster than my 105! Nvidia 105 = 4214 ATI 5470 = 6359 Intel media accelerator 3150 = 300 with that difference you should be seeing about a 30% boost in performance over my card (only a guess though, don't old me to it)
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Jul 8, 2010 23:45:24 GMT -5
That's why I take an enhanced one, to avoid the obsoletness coming up too soon
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 9, 2010 6:00:37 GMT -5
I try to keep up as soon as possible, but where does the money come from and not to mention that I'm restricted only to laptops. And another thing, even if I did keep up like grabbing the HD 5800 series, it'll be very high end just like buying an Alienware. No thanks.
To be honest, I don't think games can go quite far into the future just yet, currently Starcraft 2 will be very very graphic intense when on max settings, that's why mine I'm sure I can play it.
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Post by Clone on Jul 10, 2010 20:15:18 GMT -5
That's why I take an enhanced one, to avoid the obsoletness coming up too soon sadly that only works with desktop solutions... (my complaint was about how all laptop gpu's seem to be out dated when they should be bleeding edge) To be honest, I don't think games can go quite far into the future just yet, currently Starcraft 2 will be very very graphic intense when on max settings, that's why mine I'm sure I can play it. considering your performance numbers compared to my 8800GT, i don't think you will be seeing max settings... (i haven't tested but looking at the visuals and standards in the other current games i have your looking at medium to high visual settings with your GPU which is a nice spot to be! my laptops confined to parc visuals thanks to a bios problem...) 3DMark 05 8800GT 512 Desktop =11420 (this ones from my actual GPU) ATI 5470 Laptop = 6359
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 10, 2010 23:35:54 GMT -5
Laptops are usually meant for convenience and as well as power efficient. I use it everyday and also for many hours, so my parents forbids me to buy a desktop. He told me to ask myself, "Do you want a very high electric bill?" So therefore, laptops for me.
And I know you had beaten me, but let's hope it can still go well. I may not always go super max settings, but at least a modern game under reasonable medium setting is better than a low setting but still crashes (barely playable).
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Jul 11, 2010 7:10:22 GMT -5
Hey buddy I don't have a laptop but a normal PC in a Tower sized case so I don't need to worry about that, just to get the cash to get it ^^ And Krudd, you souhld thell that to your parents : PC's don't suck out that much electric power. Now I'm running with a 750 W power supply and my electric bills are just like before. You'll tell them that 750 W is the max value, not a constant one,as the supply will adapt depending of the need of power for the proper function of the computer. If it only needs 300 W it will 300 W but if it needs 700 W it wikll suplly them.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 11, 2010 9:31:44 GMT -5
Although what you said could be true, but my parents may not be convinced. And the worse part now is, I already bought the new PC and it's on its way. There's no turning back now.
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Post by Clone on Jul 11, 2010 11:53:58 GMT -5
Laptops are usually meant for convenience and as well as power efficient. I use it everyday and also for many hours, so my parents forbids me to buy a desktop. He told me to ask myself, "Do you want a very high electric bill?" So therefore, laptops for me. i know my desktops not a good example because its meant for gaming but i've got a 650Watt powersuply (80+) and i only average a draw of arou7nd 120 watts. my parents is ment for surfing and i added a 7350le GPU to it (because i hate old as hell accelerators, but am ok with old accelerators) and the thing with the GPU is totaling around 60watts. (i must remind you these are not power efficient parts other than the processor) i know for a fact that you can actually build desktops that use less power than laptops (i've found the parts to build one that only uses 20 watts!), however a laptop is a better choice once you pull a desktop down that low your talking LOW low end parts. so your actually doing just fine with a laptop, its mobile and your CPU is a nice one so your set for a time. also don't worry about your GPU much,l notice its faster than my Laptop and my laptop can run most games on it at medium to high settings? you should be able to set the same settings and get much better frame rates than mine did (mine used to get good performance and now its running like parc for no known reason...)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 12, 2010 3:51:32 GMT -5
Maybe because you're running very old shaders and DirectX, that's why your 8800 is getting obsolete one day. And maybe it's a matter of time? That's why I said, I got the feeling my HD 5470 will take probably more years for it to go obsolete, not to mention the system files in there are very sophisticated.
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Post by Clone on Jul 12, 2010 11:15:23 GMT -5
the one im talking about is a GeForce m105, the thing was obsolete when it was designed but its better than integrated!
my 8800 is still doing plenty acceptable performance in all games i have (except for Crysis...) at between 40 to 100+ FPS. (also the G92 core which is used in the 8800GT is the same core used in the 9800 class cards! so its not as old as the other 8800 cards)
i'm not caring at all about shaders and DX versions though (my 105 is DX10.1 running DX11) but its problem is its shear lack of bandwidth. HP was lame enough to attach its core to 512mb's of GDDR2... it only gets 8.2GB/s of bandwidth! that's so slow its the bottle neck in my system performance, not necessarily the core (the performance doesn't change much when changing after effects and post processing but degrades like a rock falling from a plain if i up the resolution or textures.
all i'm getting after is hope to hell that Dell placed the GPU of yours with at minimum GDDR3. that should be a nice bandwidth pairing with your GPU's processing speed. if they did GDRR5 then all that much better!
its not the shaders and system files that determine when a core goes obsolete, its the performance that determines that. while a 9600gt may be obsolete now my 8800 is still better than that (even better than a 250gt in some situations) your GPU performs worse than my 8800GT dose in DX9 and more than likely in DX10. but is better than mine because it supports DX11 100% where my 8800GT doesn't even support DX110.1. (however performance is normally unrelated to DX version)
ultimately, i would like to see some benchmark results from yours to see how well it works. (i can go on for ever about numbers but ultimately its all about the situation that makes the difference in performance)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 12, 2010 19:45:08 GMT -5
Hmm, sounds confusing, normally older models should become more obsolete. But as usual, you know your stuff very very well.
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Post by Clone on Jul 12, 2010 21:22:42 GMT -5
didnt want to confuse you however computers are naturaly that way. but no need to be confused with my PC's 8800gt any more! for heres the new one yes i have the POWER! (i was in luck my parents were feeling guilty with my sister and her 5 concerts that she went to this year, so i was able to get the extra 100$ out of them to buy this thing now) it came with a HDMI cable also so now i'm running my display on a digital connection and all i can say is WOW this things beautiful at native. (for some reason analog on this display maxes out at 720p but digital is a bit higher) *digs in to his benchmarking tests*
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jul 13, 2010 4:32:58 GMT -5
Ahh, good stuff I'll say. Anyway, my tension is going to run high as soon as my new laptop comes in, in this way and hopefully, Starcraft 2 in max settings will be a walk in the park.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Jul 13, 2010 11:20:45 GMT -5
Now you finally have the power lol ^^ Well now you can max out some stuff Clone :DI hope i'll have my money soon to have my HD 5870 ù I'm drooling just whuile thinking about it ^^
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