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Post by SoCalDrag on Jan 12, 2011 4:36:34 GMT -5
Just look at China throughout it's 4500 year history. It has never invaded anyone before, and only does so if they are attacked first. In fact, their current borders are smaller than their maximum extent in the Qing Dynasty... Mongolia and parts of Siberia now belong to Mongolia and Russia respectively. They like keeping peace.
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Post by Clone on Jan 12, 2011 15:58:05 GMT -5
i was only referencing the possibility of a grunge with japan. but let me just say that you are vary wrong about China's history with the "China throughout it's 4500 year history. It has never invaded anyone before, and only does so if they are attacked first." now if we said the last 2000 then ok, but 4000 years a go they were really expanding.
moving no though! (this isn't a history lesson after all)
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Post by SoCalDrag on Jan 19, 2011 0:38:26 GMT -5
What I mean by China is its own "ethnic boundaries." China didn't go around invading Persians, did they? They expanded within their own piece of land in Eastern Asia. And if you would like to discuss China's expansion, China was a set of warring states before Qing Shi HuangDi... therefore there was no China yet. Also, during the Han and Tang dynasties, the people who the Chinese ruled in the west (today's Turkmanistan, etc...) welcomed Chinese rule for it offered them peace from nomadic barbarians.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jan 19, 2011 5:16:34 GMT -5
Well, at least we know they don't go world domination like the Nazis do. Anyway, with 2011 already here, I wonder what will be your choices when the presidential debate comes in the next few more months. I vote for Donald Trump, he'll bring America back to its former glory when Obama could not and after Bush's screw-ups.
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Post by Clone on Jan 21, 2011 3:02:54 GMT -5
What I mean by China is its own "ethnic boundaries." China didn't go around invading Persians, did they? They expanded within their own piece of land in Eastern Asia. And if you would like to discuss China's expansion, China was a set of warring states before Qing Shi HuangDi... therefore there was no China yet. Also, during the Han and Tang dynasties, the people who the Chinese ruled in the west (today's Turkmanistan, etc...) welcomed Chinese rule for it offered them peace from nomadic barbarians. and that's a nicely concise positive view.however there were territory's China tried to push in to but got there asses kicked out. Japan, Korea, Vietnam... there history's not all roses by any means but nor is any ones. the good news though is China's much more friendly with Obama than they ever were with Bush and so far it seems like they want a mutual existence with America. (it seems like its heading at least in the right direction)
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Jan 21, 2011 17:09:24 GMT -5
I agree with Clone. CHina seems to go on smoother with USA now that Obama is at its lead instead of Bush.
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Post by SoCalDrag on Jan 21, 2011 23:25:33 GMT -5
Conclusion. China's economy cannot survive without America, for America is China's largest consumer of its exported products. America cannot survive without China either... companies would fail as they cannot find cheap sources of labour. Even so, America is keeping an eagle eye (don't mind the pun) on China's military development, and China is developing weapons such as the stealth bomber specifically to prepare either invading America or defending itself from America.
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Post by Clone on Jan 22, 2011 3:14:59 GMT -5
not to mention China's now one of Americas biggest importers, were making a killing off of selling them our used stuff. (not to mention Bowing's making a parc load of plains for them)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jan 22, 2011 3:27:10 GMT -5
I know what you mean on that, but The Donald said they are responsible for manipulating the currency and stealing our jobs. It may not look like their fault but that's how they run, after all, I said it many times, when America is receiving so many goods coming from China such as windows or anything nearly daily use and so are toys. You're just not getting any jobs.
A company called MayTag used to be in America but moved to Mexico because of job employment problems and possibly taxes. Hopefully I would like you to think this through to see the outcome.
I got the feeling Donald will not charge everything (such as food like vegetables, garlics, rice, etc..) with 25% tax. It's just for example, toys, we can make better toys and with equal cost, but best of all, better quality. China's quality usually rushed, that's what he said during one of his interviews when he was working on houses that have "Made in China" labels. Do you want to pay the 25% tax for toys coming from China? We can make toys in America and we can create jobs locally again instead of relying on China's imported toys.
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Post by Clone on Jan 25, 2011 0:30:07 GMT -5
I really don't want to even bother responding to your post. hears the thing, yes they manipulate there currency, everyone in Asia dose. yes a lot of company's have moved out of America due to cheaper labor, however most of the engineering is still done in America because every time they try out of country everything goes to hell. (not to mention Mexico, Canada and a whole slew of country's are on that list, not just China) yes i have had to think threw this parc, i have for my entire life, my parents work for the automotive company's, and ya know the conclusion? the moneys no longer in mass production people, the world has changed once more like it did for the industrial revolution. the moneys in services and media now. (something that is currently vary entered in America)
lastly, toys have been made in China for the past 20+ years, that's not whats causing job shortages, most of its been the movement of cars, computers, TV's and appliances out of America that has. and lets admit on thing about that, the quality has take such a nose dive because of that. (also, aren't you not even located in an American territory? how would this effect you?)
(by no means do i mean to insult people, but i've seen so many layedof and unemployed people that just don't try. For every honestly hard working, unemployed person; there's two bums trying to get a free ride.)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Jan 25, 2011 8:34:47 GMT -5
I understand, I know not everyone will agree with me or even to the Donald himself. So I know there will be votes that will against him.
Anyway, let's just wait and see. I can't repeat the same comments all over again.
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