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Post by eddieursa on Apr 21, 2007 15:50:06 GMT -5
There's something about the story of "American Dragon" that I didn't noticed until some minutes ago. The Huntsclan kidnapped Rose from her parents when she was a baby, right?. (Which, by the way, sounds totally gross and worthless). Well, what about if the Huntsclan have done the same thing with ALL their young apprentices?. I mean, for example, with all the "students" of the Huntsclan in the episode "The Academy".
If Rose's wish of the destruction of all the Huntsclan also affected those young apprentices, then that was something very cruel and inhuman by Disney. Because, think about it. Those poor kids were stolen from their true family against their will, just for turn them into assassin against creatures who haven't done anything against them. And later they had to pay the "ultimate price" because they were in the wrong place and in the wrong time. Don't you think this is cruel?.
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Post by Warrior Passionate on Apr 22, 2007 5:24:47 GMT -5
Yes... It is cruel, but if Rose spared them they would still try to hunt down Jake because the Huntsclan 'brainwashed' them.
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Post by Atecom on Apr 22, 2007 6:29:21 GMT -5
Think also that the huntsman could have been one of those that was stolen and conditioned, but weve been conditioned by disney tgo look at him as the bad guy.
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Post by Warrior Passionate on Apr 22, 2007 6:54:55 GMT -5
I agree with Atecom. Most of the Huntsclan were kidnapped, but the Huntsman is also evil for continueing that tradition.
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Post by The Pantheon Dragon on Apr 22, 2007 11:56:14 GMT -5
The trainees were around Rose's age and she was already an apprentice.You'd think that at least a few would be at her level.There may be a reason why she was kidnapped but I think some of them may have family in the clan.Then again,88 and 89 don't really seem to have any homes.As displayed by their underwear dance on the streets.We can't say that all Huntsclan are abducted but we can't say they are all either.I think their reasons vary.The ones with family in the clan may just be sent off to the clan,while the ones who develop it on their own are just abducted like Rose.It is a genetic quality I think but also something that just happens.In Rose's case I think it just happened and she was raised parentless.
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Post by Max Power on Apr 22, 2007 14:17:57 GMT -5
Heh. I was waiting for someone to point this out. I really thought about how Rose's wish could have affected all those teenage students at the Huntsclan Academy, and how some of them may have been through the same things Rose has been through (namely being forcefully taken into the Huntsclan at birth). Then again, there's people like #88 and #89 who seem like they actually wanted to be great Huntsclan members (even though they pretty much bail whenever the going gets tough), so it's likely to assume maybe some other students were like that as well. Though, it's still a rather dark, unexplored plot point that results from the events of "Homecoming", which is probably why Matt and Eddie had to fight so hard to get this kind of episode made. And it basically got rid of the Huntsclan plot point (which was a storyline Disney didn't like, as it was serialized and not funny), so I guess they let them slip by with that. Edit: Think about also how "The Academy" stressed the parallels of the Huntsclan students to the normal students at Jake's school (with all of the exact same cliques; Huntsclan jocks, nerds, gearheads, etc). Except they were all studying how to slay magical creatures (though in a rather familiar way as well; with that Chemistry Lab test and all). Though, it's really confusing just how the Huntsclan recruited all of their students. Do they advertise? Take in orphans and/or kids who have nowhere else to go? Do they take in relatives of current members? Or do they take any newborn who happens to have a birthmark shaped like a dragon? It's confusing, especially since it's hard to believe that every single member of the clan could have those exact birthmarks and not all be related to each other (unless there was some magical intervention thousands of years ago, when the Huntsclan was first formed). It's really a shame that the show never got the chance to delve deeper into elements like this.
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Post by fudogg on Apr 22, 2007 16:20:22 GMT -5
Actually, I asked Eddie how the Disney reacted with the whole annihilating the Huntsclan thing, and he said they didn't freak out.
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Post by lightningbugx on Apr 22, 2007 21:23:21 GMT -5
Well, Rose wished herself dead. It was Jake that spared Rose. If Jake knew about the Huntsclan practices in full, maybe he would have extended his wish out, if his mind was on it.
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Post by The Pantheon Dragon on Apr 23, 2007 5:25:02 GMT -5
Well, Rose wished herself dead. It was Jake that spared Rose. If Jake knew about the Huntsclan practices in full, maybe he would have extended his wish out, if his mind was on it. Yeah,if his thinking had been in the right place he would have been more specific.But we learn a lot of people aren't One Timmy Turner for example,couldn't be specific if his life depended on it. LP
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Post by redemption on Apr 23, 2007 5:36:41 GMT -5
I agree with Lightningbugx. Rose was willing to die with the Huntsclan, it was Jake that made the wish to save her.
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Post by spyder on Apr 23, 2007 8:36:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll agree that the idea of that happening is cruel, but I don't think as many people would have noticed that because as Atecom said, the Huntsclan are made out to be villains even though a lot of them (especially students like Rose) would've been just like us in reality.
I mean, I for one didn't even consider this factor until it was presented to me right now because I'm used to the idea of the Huntsclan being evil even though what they're doing is just something that they've known all their life (in whatever shape or form it was presented to them) and just feel is right.
Think of it this way, if Rose haven't been viewed as a main character and we been shown the idea that she was 'just like everyone else' we probably wouldn't really bothered by the idea of her destruction. But because we'd seen what she was like outside of the Huntsclan and gotten the idea that she wasn't really happy with what she was doing there was a stronger feeling of relief when Jake saved her and I'm guessing most people would've forgotten about the deaths of other young apprentices and really were concerned more about the characters we'd actually had the time to get to know.
I hope that made sense. lol
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Post by Max Power on Apr 23, 2007 14:20:20 GMT -5
Spyder brings up a good point. We definitely got to see more of Rose both in and out of the Huntsclan, so it'd be easier to focus on how she was affected by what occurred in "Homecoming". Then again, "The Academy" was really trying to show how the kids on the side of "good" (Jake and Spud) weren't really all that different from the kids on the side of "bad" (the students at the Huntsclan Academy).
Whether they actually enjoyed being in the Huntsclan (like #88 and #89, somewhat) or whether they lamented not living a life that didn't involve worrying about all this magical world stuff (like Rose) remains to be seen. The obvious difference with Rose is that she really had a slightly different stance on being in the Huntsclan (she'd rather not be in it, but she had nowhere else to go and thought she had no family) until she found out she had a family that the Huntsclan took her away from. Who knows if this was the same case for most other kids in the Huntsclan (though it's likely, as it was shown they had undercover Huntsclan agents stationed in the hospital, which was how they kidnapped Rose). So who knows if all of the deaths were tragic?
There's ALSO the fact that many of those students had probably never even fought a real magical creature (remember how that Huntsclan teacher made somewhat of a big deal out of Rose having faced dragons?), as they were just sheltered in that Academy and were still being taught the basics. So, really, they weren't technically evil as they hadn't even really done anything! But then, what if the Huntsclan really did succeed in brainwashing most of the students into thinking that magical creatures were evil, disgusting, and didn't belong on the planet?
Ugh, this is too confusing.
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Post by nyc2dragon on Apr 23, 2007 14:48:42 GMT -5
I like to think the students were not considered Huntsclan enough and were speared as well.
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Post by The Pantheon Dragon on Apr 23, 2007 15:38:50 GMT -5
But then, what if the Huntsclan really did succeed in brainwashing most of the students into thinking that magical creatures were evil, disgusting, and didn't belong on the planet? Ugh, this is too confusing. That's right and therefore they didn't deserve to die.The vortex may have spared them but I think the only survivors were in fact Rose and 88 and 89.Jake and Rose's wishs probably worked with each other in compromisable terms.Rose's wish came true with the Huntsclan being destroyed and Jake had Rose never even be in the Huntsclan.The Huntclan are gone for good but the fate of most of the children will never be known probably.It's saddening. LP
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Post by roselong121 on Apr 24, 2007 1:17:29 GMT -5
This is a thing my mum complained about. She watched not only Homcoming but also Dreamscape and said that the Huntsman was far too crule for little kids.
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