Ferb
Student
[ss:American Dragon | Season 1]
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Post by Ferb on Sept 6, 2008 20:29:57 GMT -5
Why are first and second season graphics and style different? I mean what was wrong with the first ones ?-it was totally great.And their not improving it they are making it worse. And my question is Why? Why did they change it the cartoon it's SUPER GREAT but they are kinda ruing it . I still like the cartoon but I had more pleasure watching the first season.I mean you can see the difference your self. Season 1 : And season 2 : The difference is pretty big and I'm not vary happy about that . /Ferb
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 7, 2008 5:12:25 GMT -5
I agree with you Ferb. When they said about the second season a graphic change I thought about a 3d style graphic, instead of this kiddish drawing style
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unbalanced
Jake's friend
Wow, I get personal text?!?!!11!??[ss:American Dragon | Season 2]
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Post by unbalanced on Sept 7, 2008 9:48:05 GMT -5
Actually, I like the second season better. Plus, his skinny dragon body makes for some awesome dodging scenes, pretty evident near the beginning of "Bring it On".
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 7, 2008 14:12:04 GMT -5
Yeah or like on the eps here Jake dreams about Rose and runs after her while she's in her Huntsgirl suit
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Post by YFWE on Sept 7, 2008 16:47:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed the second season animation immensely... at first it took some getting used to, but I found it far more realistic.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 7, 2008 16:53:09 GMT -5
Yeah me too YFWE. At the first time is was all WTF Oo but now it isn't surprising me anymore even if it's a bit uglyer thant the first season drawing style ^^
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Post by Protoss Dragon on Sept 7, 2008 17:29:19 GMT -5
They changed it to make the animations more realistic and to try to make the dragons look a bit more like humans which should never be done because, the bodies are entirely different.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 7, 2008 17:46:09 GMT -5
''Agrees totally '' They could also have kept the quasi-3d graphics of before, instead of using this so kiddish drawing style
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unbalanced
Jake's friend
Wow, I get personal text?!?!!11!??[ss:American Dragon | Season 2]
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Post by unbalanced on Sept 7, 2008 20:27:23 GMT -5
They mostly changed Jake because he had the same dragon form shape as adults, but he was just a kid, so they changed him to be more like, say, Fred Nerk.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 8, 2008 3:24:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree about that, but the drawing style could have een less.. spiky. It seems to be drawn by a 5 y.o. kid
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Clone
Maturing Dragon
That one dragon with no name
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Post by Clone on Sept 9, 2008 15:10:03 GMT -5
part of the change was to move more towards the originally previewed animation style that Jeff had done, and another reason was because they got the entire KP animation team... so there was bound to be a change... Personally, I prefer the second season in total. But there are things from the first season that i do prefer over the seconds version of them. Yeah, I agree about that, but the drawing style could have een less.. spiky. It seems to be drawn by a 5 y.o. kid Have you ever seen a 5 Year old kid draw? I have (my Nabors) and it looks way worse (and he’s good for his age, trust me). What they simply did is they left out the common rounding of corners that takes extra time to do (and cost more money). As of for the style change, there is no perfect explanation, but I like Jake and allot of people's second season design more (Jake was way too young for being a 13 year old in season one)
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 9, 2008 16:24:46 GMT -5
Well by '' 5 y.o. kid drawing'' was just an image. I was meaning tha the drawing was as ugly as this kind of drawings. But they're in way better than a kid's one
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Post by spyder on Sept 9, 2008 21:06:48 GMT -5
I personally prefer the S1 style animation, and while I understand the motives behind making Jake into a skinnier dragon, and that the change was only made as an attempt to benefit the show, I still can't help but cringe every time I see it. Sure, I've gotten used to it with the more episodes I've watched, but I will still, hands down, always choose the S1 style over S2.
I understand some people find S2's style more realistic, but I personally don't. I mean, he's a much bulkier, larger dragon one season, then the next... He's not. My understanding of a new animation style was that the character's notable traits would be the same, just drawn differently. But apparently, I was wrong.
Regardless of whether or not, Jake's S1 dragon form made sense in terms of how long he'd been training or how much he'd matured, I think it was a pretty odd decision to completely change the proportion of his dragon form. Something like that to me just doesn't make sense.
And regardless of his age, Jake is the American Dragon and is supposed to be viewed as an image of authority and power amongst the magical realm, which is pretty hard to buy when he looks the way he does in S2.
And let's be honest, in comparison to a number of the foes Jake was fighting in S1, he wasn't really that big. Sure, he was a few feet taller than Rose, but was basically equal height to the Huntsman, and a number of the wrestlers he fought in the episode "Ring Around The Dragon", which I'm guessing puts him somewhere around the 6-7 ft mark. Now, considering the dragons I've seen in movies like LOTR and HP, I don't really consider him that big at all.
Granted, those dragons were probably adults, but even so, Jake's 13-14 over the course of the show and going through puberty which means development in things such as growth and muscle development. Besides, if a dragon form's size is supposably dependent upon the person's age and levels of maturity, why weren't any other adult dragon forms changed to be much larger?
I also found it strange that despite Jake's obviously less muscular dragon form, he still seemed to have levels of strength similar to (and in some cases, beyond) that of his S1 dragon form, which just looked incredibly unrealistic. Like in "Family Business" when he was lifting all those magical creatures on his shoulders. I was just watching that and thinking "Umm, no."
I can't really enjoy the action scenes either, because while other people tend to find that Jake has taken on a much more energetic, active role, I can't help but find all his movements incredibly awkward. Not to mention the fact that his wings look like they can barely hold up the weight of his own body.
I dunno, maybe I'm being overly cynical, but that's just the way I feel on this issue. I do respect the opinions of the people who prefer the S2 style though, this is all just entirely my opinion. And well, I've always tended to be more of an 'old-school' fan when it comes to most things: music, shows, movies, and so on... I'm guessing this wasn't much different.
But hey, it's beyond our control now.
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Clone
Maturing Dragon
That one dragon with no name
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Post by Clone on Sept 10, 2008 14:33:51 GMT -5
Regardless of whether or not, Jake's S1 dragon form made sense in terms of how long he'd been training or how much he'd matured, I think it was a pretty odd decision to completely change the proportion of his dragon form. Something like that to me just doesn't make sense. And regardless of his age, Jake is the American Dragon and is supposed to be viewed as an image of authority and power amongst the magical realm, which is pretty hard to buy when he looks the way he does in S2. And let's be honest, in comparison to a number of the foes Jake was fighting in S1, he wasn't really that big. Sure, he was a few feet taller than Rose, but was basically equal height to the Huntsman, and a number of the wrestlers he fought in the episode "Ring Around The Dragon", which I'm guessing puts him somewhere around the 6-7 ft mark. Now, considering the dragons I've seen in movies like LOTR and HP, I don't really consider him that big at all. Granted, those dragons were probably adults, but even so, Jake's 13-14 over the course of the show and going through puberty which means development in things such as growth and muscle development. Besides, if a dragon form's size is supposably dependent upon the person's age and levels of maturity, why weren't any other adult dragon forms changed to be much larger? I was only referring to his height as a human... I do like your explanations though on the things. (In general I’m old-School too... but for some things I like the changes that have happened)
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Sept 10, 2008 15:28:25 GMT -5
And spyder, a european-style dragon never goes over 3 meters tall. It's tall I know but it's like this ^^. But his grandpa is much taller, weird
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