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Post by mehdi5 on Sept 3, 2007 11:38:26 GMT -5
Disney has a reputation as a "kid friendly" company, at least as far as the Channel goes. And sometimes, a lot of the themes in AmDrag were very dark, not kid friendly themes. Disney tried to cut down on that to live up to their reputation of a "kid friendly" Disney Channel. Or maybe it was just money. Take your pick. Well they have made darker series. But Disney wants to be kid friendly but they are making Prince of Persia a 16+ videogame movie adaption. But i think AD:JL has become a little dark but it's far from the darkest series yet
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blak
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Italian Dragon[ss:American Dragon | Season 1]
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Post by blak on Sept 3, 2007 12:14:07 GMT -5
The darkest thing I saw in ADJL were the "destruction" of the Huntsclan...and maybe the Dark Dragon returning in "Being Human" with Jake's blood...but still they're not the darkest thing that I've ever seen in a Disney show...
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antiyonder
Jake's friend
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 3, 2007 14:00:26 GMT -5
Even when dark, it was a bright lamp compared to Gargoyles. No disrespect towards the show of course, so really the execs were being paranoid. Besides, has Jeff or Eddie ever said anything about viewers complaining about the darker elements? If not then it was just the higher ups thinking they know it all.
Second, the reason they had to have Rose and her family move to Hong Kong was that supposedly the young viewers wouldn't be able to understand why Rose forgot about Jake. More like that would require the ones running the network to air the episodes in order. Airing the episodes in order means hard work.
You know what's hypocritical about that? On their shows (American Dragon) included, they preach to the audience one or twice about how you can't get by life on shortcuts, yet it seems that running a network can be done on shortcuts. You know airing your top shows constantly rather than having a strong diverse schedule.
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13thdragon
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Post by 13thdragon on Sept 3, 2007 16:39:51 GMT -5
Well all I know is that I am getting rid of direct tv now.............American Dragon is the only reason I have tv.
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Post by redemption on Sept 3, 2007 17:32:11 GMT -5
Perhaps they cancelled it becasue they felt that the destruction of the Huntsclan and the Dark Dragon being sucked into the vortex gave the show no more options for serious villians? *shrugs*
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Post by huntsgirls1fan on Sept 3, 2007 17:52:42 GMT -5
Stupid idea that it's to dark, well POKEMON AND POWER RANGERS IS DARKER! it makes NO scence!
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blak
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Post by blak on Sept 3, 2007 20:09:57 GMT -5
Perhaps they cancelled it becasue they felt that the destruction of the Huntsclan and the Dark Dragon being sucked into the vortex gave the show no more options for serious villians? *shrugs* Well, I personally think that the Dark Dragon (I don't know the Huntsclan) was "killed" because AmDrag was cancelled (I think...).
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Post by lightningbugx on Sept 4, 2007 0:43:04 GMT -5
Perhaps they cancelled it becasue they felt that the destruction of the Huntsclan and the Dark Dragon being sucked into the vortex gave the show no more options for serious villians? *shrugs* This is not about why Disney cancelled. This is about why Disney had the series produced.
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Max Power
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Post by Max Power on Sept 4, 2007 1:58:57 GMT -5
This is not about why Disney cancelled. This is about why Disney had the series produced. I'm guessing you don't understand the way Disney greenlights shows. The way a show is being sold to a network is by selling executives on the premise and the basics of the show. The premise of American Dragon is basically "young teen struggles with balancing a normal life and an abnormal life", which is something the Disney Channel aims for (extraordinary premises to draw kids in and the ordinary context to keep them watching). When a premise is intriguing, a pilot is ordered. Any pilot made for a show isn't able to show long-term aspects of the potential series, like story-arcs and such. It's just there to get a basic feel for the premise and main characters, and is basically just a way to get executives to greenlight the show. If the pilot turns out well, the executives give the go-ahead and basically say, "All right: here's money, now go hire some writing and art staff, and we'll get back with you." Since they're providing the means of producing the show, they obviously have their own standards of how the show should be produced so that they see it as fit for their network and/or television in general (which is where Standards & Practices comes in). They basically give notes that say if x part should be changed or if y line should be something different so they could fit with the other programming on their network. Because, obviously, the other shows on the network were popular enough to keep the place going, so if you'd wanna keep it going, you'd make your new shows more like your current shows. Disney wasn't really concerned about how long an episode needs to be to fit in the plot or about the serialization of stories. What it is concerned about is having a show that'll fit with their network; something to appeal to their young children audience (mainly girls). This usually involves shows full of standalones, so the network doesn't have to adhere to any kind of strict airing order (and thus frees them to air the episodes in any order they please, or to save certain episodes for special promotional programming periods like holidays and such). Any show the pick up is subject to adjustment by Disney Channel just to make sure it'll be a success for their network. They don't usually care about what is being adjusted as long as it helps to better suit a series with the rest of their programming or appeal to their target audience.
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antiyonder
Jake's friend
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 4, 2007 3:43:08 GMT -5
]Disney wasn't really concerned about how long an episode needs to be to fit in the plot or about the serialization of stories. What it is concerned about is having a show that'll fit with their network; something to appeal to their young children audience (mainly girls). This usually involves shows full of standalones, so the network doesn't have to adhere to any kind of strict airing order (and thus frees them to air the episodes in any order they please, or to save certain episodes for special promotional programming periods like holidays and such). Or it's as I said earlier, shows that require airing in a particular order means having to work hard for a change. I'm not faulting the company for wanting to make money, I'm faulting them for taking shortcuts (which again, they have the nerve to have shows which give the message not to).
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Post by lightningbugx on Sept 4, 2007 10:32:30 GMT -5
That might explain why Disney canceled the show. AD:JL story requires more work for some people that don't want to put in the work.
Actually, I do not see any work at all when running shows in order. There is really more effort in showing shows out-of-order than in-order because you have to try to keep the shows random from day to day and prevent a particular episode from repeating too often. Unfortunately, they don't do a good job of this.
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Max Power
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Post by Max Power on Sept 4, 2007 11:46:24 GMT -5
Actually, I do not see any work at all when running shows in order. There is really more effort in showing shows out-of-order than in-order because you have to try to keep the shows random from day to day and prevent a particular episode from repeating too often. Unfortunately, they don't do a good job of this. For the most part, it isn't, but it depends on the show. A serialized drama on a network like NBC wouldn't be hard at all to put in order, since that's just the way the show is produced (the earliest episode produced is logically the earliest chronologically in the "timeline" of the show). For Disney, a lot of their shows to begin with aren't serialized, and in the case of animated shows, have very erratic production schedules (usually due to the time it takes to get an episode animated, since it has to be shipped overseas). But being free from serialization is preferable to Disney because it means they get to have control over when their shows are aired, rather than having the shows dictate when Disney should air them. This means that they don't necessarily have to air a new episode every week, and can sit on some episodes (in the case of Disney and AmDrag, they sat on stuff like "Homecoming" and "Hong Kong Longs", since they were the most dramatic and less "kid-relatable" episodes). They can save new episodes to promote during special periods (air the Christmas episodes during Christmas, the summer episodes during summer, etc), save them for conclusions to big marathons (most every show on Disney has a regular, daily timeslot to watch it in, so they need to pull incentive from viewers to break away from that regularity just for this day by saying there's a brand-new episode you can see), and other stuff like that. They just like to be as hands-on as possible with control over when they schedule how to air episodes of their series.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Feb 4, 2008 5:28:49 GMT -5
Well they're afraid to be shut down by a coughcough-Riotgun-cough, but I'll shut 'em down with a n Aomik Nuke MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH Oo
And I watched disney channel only cuz there's ADJL so ....................
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buckmana
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Post by buckmana on Feb 4, 2008 13:10:11 GMT -5
I've stopped trying to understand Disney long ago. I think this is their only motivation now: $$$$$$$$
But, for reasons I've discussed too much, I loathe the second season. Stacey Wintergrin is the only good thing we got out of it.
I started watching ADJL for the first season. It's painful to look at the second.
It's like getting married to someone and saying: "I love you, you're great, now change to make me happy".
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Max Power
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Post by Max Power on Feb 4, 2008 21:53:58 GMT -5
But, for reasons I've discussed too much, I loathe the second season. Stacey Wintergrin is the only good thing we got out of it. I started watching ADJL for the first season. It's painful to look at the second. It's like getting married to someone and saying: "I love you, you're great, now change to make me happy". To be honest, even if you're still steamed over the animation revamp, I can't seriously imagine why someone would prefer the first season over the second. It's just so much better in more ways than one.
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