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Post by Clone on Aug 25, 2011 13:47:54 GMT -5
Why the hatred? I'm a designer now, and I criticize designs! Bad designs will always give the thumbs down. No matter what OS you're using, both the inside & outside counts! And Windows Phone failed my outside look test. and that's A-OK. I happen to be an art student and a practicing skinner for Windows, aka a designer too. while we have divergent tastes i think its safe to say at least MS is trying to be new. And I got the feeling you're using a Windows Phone smartphone, right? Hence your strong defense to the OS itself. But save this Android VS Windows Phone civil war, it's not worth it, iOS is our true enemy! your the one that's been trying to make a WP7 vs. ANDROID war. i simply said some positive things to the UI and OS and suddenly your acting like its an abomination. WP7 also not all that very bright as well due to the home screen, it could have been better like I showed you the stuff I told you about. im sorry but your in a minority that be leave that. the phones have been receiving on average good to great scores. not to mention numerous tech reviewers have praised the phone UI for being to the point and feeding information with out cluttering with fancy graphics. it might be different responses from out of country but in the USA the phones been well received, that's the only reason why MS is going forward with its new Tablet UI in windows 8. if Phone 7 flopped then Windows 8 would look probably fairly different on the tablet front. (however it is important to note that the Metro UI used in Phone 7 has been found in different development stages from as early as windows XP media center)now can we just leave this alone? seriously is the UI the only thing people can think about when a new Windows launches? (its not even like you will really see this when running it on a desktop)and why the hell are we talking about a phones in a desktop and laptop OS thread? seriously we can instead be discussing some real parc like how MS has finally added a real file copy and moment management system blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/23/improving-our-file-management-basics-copy-move-rename-and-delete.aspx
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Aug 25, 2011 14:30:50 GMT -5
Well you're welcome Kokusho.
I just think that Smartphones and PC's should stay separate in the designs and stuff. Being too close in the design looks like a bad idea to me.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 26, 2011 5:59:27 GMT -5
Well you're welcome Kokusho. I just think that Smartphones and PC's should stay separate in the designs and stuff. Being too close in the design looks like a bad idea to me. Damn straight, I'm glad you're on my side. I prefer if we close this case and focus more on firing artillery shells at Apple.
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Aug 26, 2011 13:09:26 GMT -5
Well what we should fire at as well, is Microsoft for not showing enough info about Windows 8 for PC's more than those crappy smartphones.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 26, 2011 13:53:44 GMT -5
I know right, that's my theory of Bill Gates' absence means they could not crank out many creative ideas, hence the ugly UI itself in the first place. But then again, same case for Microsoft Office 2007 & 2010. I found Office to be great in their new features, it's just the ribbon UI turned me down as it's more difficult to use, although I'm getting used to it but I still prefer the classic 2003 versions.
Like I said, with Bill Gates gone, you can think their creativity is not there. But there's one bright side, they're pushing in new strategies which now the Windows Phone apps are growing up recently in order to go head to head against Android & Apple, Symbian on the other hand, it's still too far away to catch up (But at least Symbian has the only bright side, they no longer the #1 virus prone OS, it's Android this time, but I don't care as I can take care of myself)
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Post by The Italian Dragon on Aug 26, 2011 16:25:58 GMT -5
Yeah I find that too. Yeah I found that too, creativity wasn't the best in there. However their strategies got better indeed
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Post by Clone on Aug 29, 2011 4:20:07 GMT -5
Well what we should fire at as well, is Microsoft for not showing enough info about Windows 8 for PC's more than those crappy smartphones. YAY!!! some one read what i wrote! *sends a bunch of karma your way* gosh, Office 2007-2010... *pukes* what in the world were they thinking? (also Bill Gates is still working at MS, hes on the 'creative team' so i don't think your argument about him not ****ing up works sadly...)
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 29, 2011 15:08:04 GMT -5
Bill Gates may still work at MS, but when he's retired, he can't do more to help them, just like the iSheeps may fear Steve may not help his own company more instead when Cook is taking on the new CEO role. So like I said, when Bill is retired, he's no longer our pirate of Silicon Valley and hence the lack of creativity, Office 2007 & 2010 is probably one of their worst projects I've ever since hence their poor ribbon UI, same case like they did with their WP7.
But if my statement on this is still false, Clone, then I don't know what's gotten into MS lately, I can predict there will be business or investment shares in MS itself is diverting elsewhere, PC is already old story and the business people are now aiming for the smartphones, but where does the shares go? Can be either in Apple or Google.
In a nutshell, I don't have high hopes for MS this time, Win7 is my last hope, later on, they went downhill in terms of creativity. Because let's face it a little bit, Windows have a lot of copying elements or maybe I'm not sure if it's the other way round, the primary example is their gadgets in Vista is it was copied from Mac OS X's own widgets. I'm not supporting Mac on this one, it's just I'm suspecting about it since Mac OS X came first BEFORE Vista. When that happens, who is creative and innovative this time?
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Post by Clone on Aug 29, 2011 16:14:02 GMT -5
Bill is not retired Kokusho. hes just not the CEO now, hes still involved in the production of windows and its associated programs.
the ribin UI is an abomination to computing, however the UI of phone 7 isn't, its just not your style. (lets leave it at that and stop bring it up)
don't really know what your getting after in that second paragraph.
i think that you need to learn the difference between creativity and what you seem to think it is. what MS is doing right now is creativity instead of their usual see how it works for the competitor and then make our version of it.
if you want to think about it, Windows is nothing but a stolen OS. would take to long to type up why but just do some research, windows is nothing but a reactionary platform minus the recent push in windows 8. and then you go blaming MS of not being creative when they finally are, however i must say they are not doing to good at it at least with that parcty ribin UI that they are imbedding all over the place in windows 8.
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Post by Atecom on Aug 29, 2011 21:58:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's the other way round, the primary example is their gadgets in Vista is it was copied from Mac OS X's own widgets. I'm not supporting Mac on this one, it's just I'm suspecting about it since Mac OS X came first BEFORE Vista. When that happens, who is creative and innovative this time? There was a bit of copying from both ends when it came round to the later OSX releases.
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 29, 2011 22:11:29 GMT -5
Yes you're right, the WP7 UI is not all that bad, and the ribbon is more terrible than that too. Although I know Bill is not completely retired, it's just when he's lower in rank, he cannot do much compare to his old CEO days.
The 2nd paragraph is more like business shares, I know business a bit, that's why it can be confusing. Here's an easy example, when the Galaxy S II came out, many businessman divert their money to invest in Android & Samsung even more when the perfect phone came out while Apple's share reduced when the iPhone 4 was kind of like outdated. But here's another prediction, I bet Apple's next iPhone will also attract some new investments too while Samsung's shares reduced due to the lawsuit which slows down the sale (I hate to state this one out, but this can be true). They are really smart investors, particularly those in Wall Street, they don't play around on who they're loyal to, all they want is making money, and whoever makes the most money, they'll go for that company, and whoever starts to make less, they'll depart and choose another company.
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Post by dragonuproductions on Aug 30, 2011 0:40:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's the other way round, the primary example is their gadgets in Vista is it was copied from Mac OS X's own widgets. I'm not supporting Mac on this one, it's just I'm suspecting about it since Mac OS X came first BEFORE Vista. When that happens, who is creative and innovative this time? There was a bit of copying from both ends when it came round to the later OSX releases. You can say that again. Take the Mosaic UI vs the OS X Launchpad
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Post by Kokusho the Evening Star on Aug 30, 2011 7:46:57 GMT -5
The Stardock software I'm using also replicates from Mac OS X when it comes to the zooming feature although I didn't find the famous genie effect when you minimize. After all, any product that is so good, it'll one day get cloned or copied. Can't blame them just like how Angry Birds copied from Crush the Castle. But then, like I said when it comes to Apple's dark side, all that wealth has seduced them to the dark side while Bill Gates doesn't before he gave up half of his savings. EDIT : Looks like we got a news, both good and bad. blog.gsmarena.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-explorer-in-windows-8-straight-from-microsoft/blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/29/improvements-in-windows-explorer.aspxIf that is going to happen in our traditional UI in Win8, the new ribbon UI on the explorer like this will turn MS possibly upside-down. Get ready to play Russian Roulette, guys, we got some killings to do on ourselves! But after watching the video, I don't know about you, but I fear it might become both a great and worse project move to be ever done to the Explorer. Just like Office 2007 & 2010, many of us may like the cool new features, but the ribbon UI turned us down. Do you agree on my statement here? Remember, I'm not in complete hatred on this UI problem, it's just I'm very skeptical.
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Post by dragonuproductions on Aug 30, 2011 11:23:35 GMT -5
I agree mostly. I wish Ubuntu would be as simple as Windows though. I hated using Terminal for everything when I had it. But I guess i'm not the Linux type... Not digging the Ribbon UI designwise specifically. Otherwise I don't mind to much
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Post by Clone on Aug 30, 2011 18:23:44 GMT -5
i see that you've ran in to my recent delema Kokusho, i got really excited over the updated functions to common things and then discovered the ribin UI all over it a few days ago. the good news though is that you can hide it easily so it wont be in the way and considering that the majority of the functions in their are all accessible form keyboard or right click theirs still the possibility of it not being to intrusive. (not like i use the UI functions in the current explorer any ways)
ah no good OS thread can go long with out mention of the penguin. the reliance of terminal dose bug me still but linux is getting to the point where its a good contender to OSX and Windows.
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